Random is random I suppose?

[MrJ]

Saw a first, kind of interesting. I was playing yesterday and sitting next to me was a guy with a deck of, what looked to be playing cards. Same size and all but these cards had all 38 roulette numbers.

He would shuffle them (best he could) on his lap, then choose one. Bet that number and put that card back into the deck. A couple times he did choose the same card back to back, yep, he re-bet it. No progressions, just flat betting. He got some decent hits. I could not watch the guy for hours but it seemed he made a profit.

Ken

[Proofreaders2000]

If that beats (any person's) best system what is the point in all of this research?

[MrJ]

......kind of my point. Dont really know proofreader, I only report what I see.

Ken

[Wally Gator]

Haven't heard that one before ..... did they appear commercially made or something from home?

[MrJ]

Nope, not made at home. They looked kinda cool actually. Had a pic of a roulette wheel on the non-number side.......38 cards of course. I only know this cause the dealer had asked him.

Ken

[Steve]

While I wouldnt say anything is impossible, it is not uncommon for random bets to produce a profit.

[MrJ]

I have read quite a few articles over the years. Many authors have stated....Random does (or can) beat random and its the ONLY way to POSSIBLY have great results against roulette (notice how I never use the word BEAT, its so I dont get cornered).

(When I say "authors", I dont mean some goof on a message board).

Not saying I agree or disagree with the teachings of what I read, keep that in mind please. I DO have an opinion but I'll keep it to myself.

Ken

[ausguy]

How would you go if you predealt say 1 card or ten cards at home, depending on your play idea  & shuffling for each new deal, recorded the results multiple times eg x 200 or x 300 (enough for a session) ? This would save the hassle of doing it at the casino. Although if you preferred you could take the cards with you & do your picks as you go ? Probably somewhat clumsy & inconvenient ?

You could even make your own pack (if a premade casino pack wasn't handy) out of of an el cheapo set & a marker pen. Seperate out 18 red cards & 18 black cards & grab the 2 jokers (if supplied) or 1 joker & some other chosen card for 38 numbers, 1 joker for 37 numbers or just 36 (1/2 R & 1/2 B) cards for a No Zero wheel.

On the Red & black cards just mark up the 18 & 18  numbers + joker(s) with the pen & you're set. A simple, cheap & maybe effective random vs random system ? At least worth testing.

[MrJ]

Yeah, he may bring them to the casino just to get attention, conversations. Your idea seems just as good, I dont see a huge difference.

Ken

[kingsroulette]

Co-incidence may bring positive variance, at times but in long run you can not be so lucky. Once in a casino, I was accompanied with a firt timer friend of mine. He too wanted to bet, for fun but was scared to see everyone losing. He asked me I want to bet too, where do I place chips? I asked him what is ur date of birth. He said 25th. I said put table max on that. He indeed put a max bet (40 units) by a high value chip but in the middle of spin, removed that and put only a 5 chip bet. I told him that why did u remove it? Ironically, same number 25 hit that very spin. We started laughing and he got frustrated as to why the hell he changed the bet. Such things keep happening. Random shuffle may help to win more or the opposite too.

[Steve]

Using random to predict random is like taking a lock and a key, and a car and a driver, then trying to open the lock with the car.

Another way of looking at it is using random to predict random is like double encrypting something.

[Steve]

A more logical way of looking at is:

1. Nothing is ever "random". Everything is just "cause and effect".

2. To predict any event, find the relationship between the variables and the outcome (cause and effect).

The next step is consider what variables most directly influence the outcome. Then consider the outcomes. Then model the relationship between them.

[ausguy]

I just found an old pack of cards & made up a Euro set of 37 numbers.

My test plan would be to bet 10 numbers, fixed, on a basic Marty progression to 8 levels. I prefer to bet on live dealer spins but the choice is yours.

The shuffled numbers that came were : (rearranged low to high) Zero,2B,3R,6B,9R,12R,13B,20B,29B,33B. Any loss is 10 units any win is 26 units net profit.

Grab any spins you have handy & see if 10/37 random picks are viable winners or no different to 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 ?

[kingsroulette]

Be it a random shuffle or a static bet, it doesn't change the probability which is a static thing.

[Steve]

Keep in mind for any meaningful results, you'd need to test a statistically significant amount, and that would take you a long time.

Why not create an excel chart with two columns. One column creates a random number, and the other is another random number. See how many times the numbers are the same.