Being cheated out of a win online?

[mario12346]

Last night it was the early hours of the morning and I saw that the Russian table had zig-zagged between red and black 12 times so I joined the table and started a martingale against the zig-zag starting at £1.00. The zig-zag continued untill I was at my £64 bet, then the croupier just sat there for 5 min without spinning untill the screen went blank and slowly all players left the table, I waited and waited as I hate any form of defeat and wanted to continue my progression but then I tried to log back in and the table was offline!

Surely they should wait untill theres no players before they end the table?? And a zig-zag of 18 or 19 must me almost impossible?? Most Ive heard of is 15?? Cheating??

[warrior]

Solution dont play on line.

[Chris555p]

Which online casino were u playing at....? Was it amongst the highly reputable
online casinio......; or was it just some mickey mouse online casino which has bad reputation
for cheating........??

[Proofreaders2000]

...as I hate any form of defeat-Mario123456

Being stubborn on a losing streak is dangerous
gambling.  Walking away from a small loss is also a win.

[ausguy]

mario - A good solution is to have accounts with other host casino's, then you have options. Your ID shows you are in the UK so you should have plenty of choices ?

Smart Live, Dublinbet & affiliates, Paddy Power, Party Casino are just a few of many you could use.

Part of play is self discipline & bet smarts, keeping your cool & not getting emotional & upset about a small situation (in a big picture sense) only comes with experience & besides it doesn't really change your life.

Leaving the play & returning to the casino some time later or switching casinos is always worthwhile. Having more than the minimum Bankroll also relieves bet stress. Running on or near empty is a poor way to play the game. Just some thoughts & keep on developing your plays.

[Kingspin]

It's entirely possible to get a "zig zag " 15 or 20 or 25 times .   I so number 7 hit 7 times on the trot , who would believe that.  I so red hit 25 times one after the other.  With roulette nothing is impossible.

[Kingspin]

I forgot to mention in the last post , yes they could have cheated you.  I myself have been cheated by casino's online.  They don't all cheat but it's not uncommon for devious methods to be used by some casino's.  Rng and air ball should be avoided at any cost and I mean that honestly , live dealer  casino's  online can't be trusted 100% but they are usually the best option - avoid airball and rng , cheating happens for sure with these. That one at smart live is highly suspicious..

[ausguy]

It's is already known by aware players that the Smart Live airball wheels CHEAT the players. This is because they use the Cammergh RRS360 = Random Rotor Speed technology. The Cammergh site demonstrates all the features of the RRS360 wheel. They combine varying the rotor speed slightly with air jet holes in the ball track to land the ball where ever they like = BET AVOIDANCE. All Air/Auto wheels rig their play in some way.

Airball & auto wheels may look like & appear to play like dealer spun wheels but the fact is they are not. They are EGMs = Electronic Gaming Machines & so are legally allowed to cheat you as long as the average payout % is made. They do achieve the %  because the on board computer is set to do it.
The audits work on moving averages lines like you see on stock market charts & some test graphs put up here on the forum from time to time.

Spikes up or down = wins & losses are then smoothed out.

Slots & RNG games work pretty much the same. Sure some people win but most lose. Constant guaranteed profits is the name of the casinos game.

It's not me making up PORKY PIES (lies) here, as all this EGM stuff can be seen on any gaming regulators site in the juristriction of any particular casino.

[rajucb12]

Thanks for share the post. Ended up being the idea between the highly trustworthy on the internet gambling establishment, or maybe has been the idea a mickey computer mouse button on the internet gambling establishment which has bad status regarding cheating??

[mario12346]

Do we know which Live wheels may be airballs? Please so I can avoid them!

Im thinking of moving to Dublin bet as isnt it supposed to be filmed in an actuall real casino?

Any other reccomendations?


Marios

[ausguy]

Mario - I think you are a bit confused on the wheel thingo. Live wheels are always spun by a dealer. By the gaming laws they must not have anything in or on the wheel that changes the natural physics of the spins = gravity & friction only. This then is the so called true random number generator.

Airball or auto wheel roulette in the casinos is a wheel with seats & player terminals. The wheel has a clear dome cover over it.

Airball on line like the ones in Smart Live have no dealer & so operate automatically. You should be able to hear the air working to launch the ball.

Did you have a look at Wheel maker Cammerghs Site ? If so what do you think ?

Live dealer on line casinos are regulated by their relevant gaming authority. Their wheels get checked so I'm sure they don't cheat. Airball is legally allowed to cheat. Each type of wheel is a completly different animal.

Playing only at Dublin bet doesn't give you many play options. I think their table limits are tight if I recall.

[mario12346]

I havent looked at the Cammerghs Site yet.

As for the airball thing, who is to say a LIVE dealer dosent spin the ball and then air or magnets dont change the result? On William Hill Live roulette there are several tables to choose from some of which are filmed in other countries for example there rouletteUK, then theres a German, Swedish and Russian, are you telling me its likley the Russian one is checked by gambling autorities? I dont trust it.

[ausguy]

Mario - I simply don't get where you're coming from when you mix airball in with live dealer? Airball has no dealer & Cammergh does say it combines fine speed controlling electric motors of the rotor with airjet holes in the ball track to change the results. Gambling rules for this type of wheel allow them to legally cheat the player.

As to cheating on live dealer wheels I don't think they need to. Changing dealers every 1/2 hour like many do, is enough to mix up the randomness & "kill" many players on a winning streak. Otherwise why don't they have their dealers on 1 hour spin stints ? Even though you may not think so, most live dealer on line casinos are strictly regulated. Read any casinos terms & conditions (T & C's) & you will see why. A lot of it is to do with stopping crime & money laundering. Of the many T & C's I've read of casinos in different countries their betting rules are similar because Goverments make agreements to standardise their rules. There are a number of casinos that are blocked from many countries. Paddy Power comes to mind as OZ & a lot of Euro countries are blocked from having an account ? This was talked about on another thread a little time back.

We as on line players never know how many others are also playing a particular game. At certain times of the day there could be hundreds ? Because of that every number would be covered many times over? Whatever type of wheel it is the payout can only be off 1 number. All the rest is profit.

If you don't trust any particular casino then it's simple you just don't play there. However your lack of trust & fear, to me, seems to be based more on thin air then reality. I suggest "you try, you buy, you no like, you go". It shouldn't be the end of the world for you even if  lose a few hundred dollars or similar.

[SpinASequence]

I play with Betfair on their live roulette tables. Its live film from a casino type set up. The dealers show you their empty hands before and after the spin.

They don't cheat. Why would they? They don't need to! Why risk losing a license to print money!?

The only thing they do,as Aus says, is change the dealer every half hour. They also spin fast and slow!

But as I am playing JWK Positional Roulette with 4 chips none of this affects me and it doesn't matter what they do - they can't change the pattern of the roulette wheel.

SAS

[mario12346]

Do Betfair use the same LIVE wheels as other casinos such as William Hill or do they have their own?