Lets have a REAL HOLY GRAIL DISCUSSION!!!

[36kid]

Or maybe it already has been discovered, just not exposed......

Indeed....
Which, is what led me to start to hypothesise.. If it did exist, would it fit our current understanding of what is possible.? And if it didnt, what impact would that have on the the way we view the world.

I think that its safe to assume that such a discovery would mean the end of the game as we currently know it.
Which may or may not have massive implications for the gambling industry and subsequently the world?
But what new beginnings would come? 

Just imagine for a moment a machine that could accurately predict random future events on a roullette wheel.. Could the same technology be used to accutarely predict how cancer cells would advance within a human body? Or could it be used to further bolster our understanding of ability to predict weather patterns giving humanity the means to protect itself from natural disaster? These are just 2 alternative applications that i think such a "miracle machine" could achieve, but there are a multitude of other applications for which it could be applied, each with thier own set of uniquely positive or negative characteristics...

But again these are my own "boundary pushing" beliefs, and that is all i have.. BELIEF. I KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL. And anything which i do "claim" to ACTUALLY KNOW, WILL ALWAYS BE SUBJECT TO CHANGE IF A NEW PERSPECTIVE IS FOUND.     

[MrJ]

"Or maybe it already has been discovered, just not exposed" >>> Thats what I'm leaning towards, IN MY OPINION.

Ken

[ddarko]

"Or maybe it already has been discovered, just not exposed" >>> Thats what I'm leaning towards, IN MY OPINION.

Ken

Unlike some here, I respect your views Ken  Can I ask why your thinking that way please?

[36kid]

"Or maybe it already has been discovered, just not exposed" >>> Thats what I'm leaning towards, IN MY OPINION.

Ken

Think we have something in common now..

[36kid]

Unlike some here, I respect your views Ken  Can I ask why your thinking that way please?

Id also like to know why you think this way. Do any of your reasons bear similaities to those i mentioned at the start of this topic?

[Proofreaders2000]

Holy Grail Stories

There is the story of a Chinese guy who would play everyday at the exact same time 10:00am when the casino opened.  His strategy was to wait for an even chance to miss six consecutive times, then bet the cold even chance for up to five spins.

He had a bankroll of $3100 and would bet with a progression of 100,200,400,800,1600

I understand he never lost and would leave immediately after he won his daily $100
(He made over $30,000/year with this strategy.
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There was another guy who would bet the last decision number and a neighbor on each side continuously until he made $300/day.  He was known to carry a bankroll in excess of $3000 and bet $2/number each spin.

[Spin4Fun]

It has been some time I posted something… no Im still around… only busy building my real business.

But sure the HG question keeps me still busy…  last weekend I attended a business seminar and beside good new business insight I got me also some new idea for roulette..

Does the HG exists or is it just a myth… well it depends who you ask.  If you ask a player, he probably will say yes “it’s a way to beat roulette”.  The casino will say, yes we protect the HG with all we can… but be we need to keep sure we still have players on the tables..

So if you  play by the rules, that we think that apply, 99% of the people will play within the rules…. And only 1% really will rise above the rest… look at the people who make it in the world. (ok some will legally surpass the rules) But the art is to play the business game and bent the rules in your favor…  better known as think outside the box…

So you can see the HG of roulette the rules that the casino force on you… and without changing the rules of roulette â€" the game, what is that the casino force on us, why do we lose… mainly the table limits. (without table limit you can win it with a high BR)

So the HG for the casino is the table limits… they protect them from always losing on the player.

As player we try to solve this by bet selection and progression systems. So with a good bet selection and progression you make a chance to make a profit… but then there is something that will blow it away…
So we add also money management to get over making major losses but still…

So we are missing some extra factor(s) to beat roulette…  find a solution to overcome table limit..
That’s not really possible if you play by the rules… so you need to make sure you have a system that can win in the most extreme case before you reach the table limit.

And in business, you can grow linear.. but means your output will be linear to your input. So if you want to grow you need to combine multiple techniques at once… in roulette that would be combining multiple bet selection methods and make sure this has a geometric result on your predictions…. And by this way you increase the accuracy of the bet selection…

Other rule in business, to make something good out of something bad… most cases it’s  not more as a 10% change in idea, plan or system…

[MrJ]

ddarko & 36kid >> Was real busy, sorry.

Like my post said.....its ONLY my opinion, I have NO FACTS on the matter. No person has stopped by my place and dropped off a HG. Myself, I do QUITE WELL with roulette. I dont want to debate the HG definition, "well" is "well".

I just FEEL that if a person put in hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours over many years (studying), why would he/she stick with it if they were getting nowhere? Reminds me of an old thread I did a few years ago, I might re-post it.

Also, what about good old, being selfish? A person puts in all those hours and has something decent, WHY share it?  Why give it out (or even sell it) to others that put in maybe 9 hours with roulette? Not very fair to the guy who busted his a**.

Its out there guys, trust me. THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ken

[ddarko]

Thanks for getting back to me/us Ken 

I will look out for that re-post 

[cheEsteban]

I am curious about something Spin4Fun posted:

in roulette that would be combining multiple bet selection methods and make sure this has a geometric result on your predictions…

I have been wondering about the same issue. There are many methods shared with relatively good results but the longer they play out the worse the odds get. What if you play for a smaller goal but more bet selection methods?
For example, play 5 methods with a goal of 3 units instead of 1 method for 15 units.

Of course, keeping track of 5 methods is more challenging but that can be helped with aids.
...maybe the more experienced players can share their input on this?

[ddarko]

Me personally, I had an even-chance go to 18 consecutive blacks. 

Well there is a couple of ways to dodge that bullet is there not ?

Bet 2 EC's & bet for one of them to change, not both to repeat/change

[Proofreaders2000]

@DDarko: Are you saying to bet the other two EC's or to bet for or
against the streaking EC (the one with the 18 consecutive)?

[ddarko]

@DDarko: Are you saying to bet the other two EC's or to bet for or
against the streaking EC (the one with the 18 consecutive)?

Bet for & against any TWO EC's !!!! (one to stay the same the other to change)

this would stop you losing on 18 consecutive blacks or reds or odd or even or high or low

No more than a solution to that problem 

[Azim]

Just Saying:

As long as human greed exists:  To became winners overnight. No system will be considered a holy grail.

Lets take my example:  I only invest about $60.00 on any given site.  I try what I want to try.  Turn it into $100.00 or $200.00.
I withdraw my initial amount. Ready to lose the rest. Why? Because I have a steady income.

I now deposit the same amount on a friends account. Use the same system. I lose within 200-300 spins.

What that tells me is some people are born to be lucky in gambling. Gambling is like buying a lottery ticket. If you lucky you will win if not you will lose.

NO CASINO WILL CHEAT TO WIN. HUMAN GREED MAKES HUMAN LOSE TO CASINOS.

Take an example from Random.org:  It has got no idea as to what you doing with the number's.  Design a system you think is unbeatable. Run the numbers from Random.org. Your system will bust.

Design a system that is logically beatable. Have enough bankroll to play with it. It will win in the long run. Don't play a system that has to have progression. Any system with progression will lose in the end.

[ddarko]

always a bit confused when people test using random.org numbers.

Say your testing a system for RNG (boo hiss), surely using RNG numbers would be best for testing ?

Say your testing a system for live dealer, surely using live dealer numbers would be best for testing ?

Dazed n confused