Law's Labby Breaker - Will this beat roulette?

[sturrock]

Thanks for that atlantis Its all looking good 

[atlantis]

Thanks for that atlantis Its all looking good 

Hi Sturrock,

Yes. What I like is that you can start off with a winning run sometimes - it's also good at trapping the winning runs and blocking the unwelcome losing runs...
It uses JL's matrix and PB methodology against random and you can use a variety of progression tactics. As you can see I don't like sharply rising ones (even though this looks fairly safe - you never know) but there is room for flexibility.
You can stop when u like really or when a few units ahead - but its nice to stop with a little profit. You could compound your profits by playing a little higher stake on each successive winning game. (even if only a few pence or cents!)
A spreadsheet could help there - maybe increase by 1% of total bank on each game or session? Would be more businesslike and professional.

Good Luck,
A.

[thelaw]

Great!

Dont understand the labby proposed by thelaw well...

What happens if...


l
l
l
...L

l
ll
ll
...L

??

and

l
l
l
...W

l
l
...L

??

l
l
l
...L

l
ll
ll
...L
-now Labby looks like...

ll
ll
lll (always use first line to indicate bet and add losses to last line first)
-------------------------
l
l
l
...W

l
l
...L
now the Labby looks like...
ll
ll

[thelaw]

Hi Sturrock,

Here is a session of the ORIGINAL way by "thelaw" but using less riskier progression (+1 if behind after a L, or reset to 1-1 if level or ahead)

* = level or new high

231 - start line
322 - w w w          +1*; +2*; +3*
333 - L vw w         +1 (u to 2); +3* (d to 1)
311 - L vw w         +1 (u to 2); +3* (d to 1)
233 - w w w          +4* ; +5*; +6*
231 - L vL vw        +4 (u to 2)
132 - w L vw         +6* (d to 1)
322 - w w L           +7*; +8* ; +6 (u to 2)
231 - vw w w         +8* (d to 1); +9*

+9pts profit in 27 spins.

HB= 2-2

:LwL:wLwLwwLww

18 bets - 13W;5L

A.

Hey Atlantis,

Had the same thought early on about trying this safer progression , but found that it is a slow grind and in many cases will eventually lose

[atlantis]

Hi thelaw,

Am I right in thinking your labby progression goes something like this  - if there were successive losers....?
If you got 6 results: LLLLLL
Would the progression be: 1,1,2,2,3,3 on each dozen?
Still don't properly understand it, I'm afraid.
Thanks,
A.

[thelaw]

Hi thelaw,

Am I right in thinking your labby progression goes something like this  - if there were successive losers....?
If you got 6 results: LLLLLL
Would the progression be: 1,1,2,2,3,3 on each dozen?
Still don't properly understand it, I'm afraid.
Thanks,
A.

Hey Atlantis,

A Labby is just a modified cancellation system, with the idea being to limit the number of bets that you have to win to make a profit. I learned it from a post where someone asked about the worst loss percentage ever recorded (135 losses out of 200 spins), and the question was "What if we were guaranteed to win 65/200 spins-How would we distribute the 135 losses?".

Here is how I would play the 6 losses (note that we are not talking about real losses in the game -312-312-312-312, but losses using the original triggers from my first post)
l
l
l
-----L (next bet 1x2-always from first line)
l
ll
ll
-----L (next bet 1x2)
ll
ll
lll
-----L (next bet 2x2)
lll
llll
llll
-----L (next bet 3x2)
lllll (5)
llllll (6)
llllll (6)
-----L (next bet 5x2)
lllllllll (9)
lllllllll (9)
lllllllll (9)
--------(next bet 9x2)

Also, keep in mind that you could start adding lines at any point if you reach table limit, or bets get too high; unlikely, but possible

[sturrock]

Hi the law and Atlantis have any of you tried the foolproof progression yet?
Cheers
Dave.

[atlantis]

Hi the law and Atlantis have any of you tried the foolproof progression yet?
Cheers
Dave.

Hello Dave,
Can you please show what you mean by the "foolproof progression"?
Is it the one where you increase by 1 win or lose?
Can you show example please.
A.

[thelaw]

Hi the law and Atlantis have any of you tried the foolproof progression yet?
Cheers
Dave.

Tested this including several variations - unfortunately, does not work. Bets reach much higher than Labby with less wins overall even with stop-loss

The Labby's greatest asset is the fact that you can adjust as you play (add lines, choose bets. etc) 

[sturrock]

Hi    Atlantis
The Foolproof progression is
Raise bet 1 unit after a loss and drop 1 unit after a win, Then flat bet  (same amount) until another loss then plus 1 until a win then drop again after a win the same bet until a loss again
e.g.
start with 1 and loose, plus 1= 2 loose again plus 1 = 3 win drop 1 unit = 2 and keep betting 2 till you loose again then plus 1 etc etc Till you are back to evens or a profit Then start again with 1

Hope you understood 

[Chris555p]

I have been using foolproof variation prgression for 2 dozens bets
for a long time; and it has never let me let me down.
For EC it is same thing. Give it a try, u may be surprised.

[sturrock]

I couldn't agree more Chris 

[sturrock]

Just played Smartlive with real dealer  after a loss wait for virtual win with foolproof progression  up 20 units in one hour 

2-2-2
3-1-3 W W W
2-3-2 W W W
3-1-3 W W W
2-3-3 W W L     11 wins in a row!
1-1-1 VW W W
1-2-2 LV W  W
1-3-3 L VW W
3-3-3 W L VL
3-2-1 VL VW W
2-2-1 W L VL
1-1-3 VW W W
1-2-1 L VW W
2-1-2 W W W
1-1-3 W L VW
3-1-2 W L VW
1-2-   W W         PLUS 20 UNITS   in 1 hour

It was toooo easy!!!!    I suppose the big bang will come!!!!  But "make hay while the sun shines" as they say, who ever they are

[atlantis]

Hi Sturrock,

Great result there! 

OK. Thanks for explanation of "foolproof". I like it. Very similar to how I was betting - except you drop back 1 after a win...

I think I used it before but anyhow I will try it with this system now and see.

Thanks,
A.

[SpinASequence]

Just played Smartlive with real dealer  after a loss wait for virtual win with foolproof progression  up 20 units in one hour 

2-2-2
3-1-3 W W W
2-3-2 W W W
3-1-3 W W W
2-3-3 W W L     11 wins in a row!
1-1-1 VW W W
1-2-2 LV W  W
1-3-3 L VW W
3-3-3 W L VL
3-2-1 VL VW W
2-2-1 W L VL
1-1-3 VW W W
1-2-1 L VW W
2-1-2 W W W
1-1-3 W L VW
3-1-2 W L VW
1-2-   W W         PLUS 20 UNITS   in 1 hour

It was toooo easy!!!!    I suppose the big bang will come!!!!  But "make hay while the sun shines" as they say, who ever they are

I can't really understand why you are giving REAL wins away!

SEVEN in the sequence above!

Crazy!


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