Are there really 37 possible outcomes?

[Azim]

Can any math person correct me on this.

I an running a test against exact numbers are 51788484. They have just been downloaded from Random.org

If my programming is correct I should have a result set of 517788448.

That should give me 517788448 cycles of  37 spins.

Is that a correct number? I think it is, just by using a small example if we had 40 spins recorded and the table got closed. We would only have 4 people who would be able to complete the cycle of 37 spins?

Am I right?

[Colbster]

Which would make it a hell lot of tracking at the tables, would it not?

Not to my way of seeing it.  We don't have to play EVERY cycle, just be aware that we are well into cycles no matter where we enter or end our current tracking cycle.  I would play until a win and then back track by deleting just those spins previously that cause the current cycle to end.  To illustrate this, let's say we're tracking for a first repeat.  At spin 13, we get a repeat of a number that initially occurred at spin 5.  Rather than starting all over to track, I would just delete the spin 5 and all previous and my new cycle is at spin 8 of a cycle that began with the old spin 6.  You have already paid house edge for that information so why would we want to forfeit that useful information?

[Azim]

True.

Lets look at a cycle from hell, if you going to do that.

Your first repeat could be the last of the series of that number and it will be the last time for it to hit till the next 3 cycles.

Isn't that possible, if we just recycle the 37 spins?

[Colbster]

I must have mis-explained.  I'm using a for instance of getting ANY repeat, not necessarily the one that just repeated.  By removing the first appearance and the previous spins, you will have remaining the most possible available information where you have not had a repeat yet.  By taking away the first appearance, you have removed the circumstances by which any repeats exist in your cycle but you already have a certain amount of info already tracked.  It will save you 2 or 7 or 15 spins of waiting that way by allowing you to utilize the information you have already "paid" for, either in time or chips.

[Azim]

I will re-do this again.

Spin 1 to 16 no repeats.
Spin 17 we get a repeat that was from spin 5.
We are at spin 17 at the table but out cycle is now at spin 12.

Is that correct?

[Colbster]

Yes, that is how I see it.

[Azim]

Ok.

27 32 10 32 .

Here is our first repeat.

10 32 31 17 1 5

This can go up to an average of 14 numbers without a repeat. Worse case situation would be 18 - 20 number's.
The repeats in the previous cycle happened at the very start of the old cycle and now it's catching up with the new hit number's.

If you really want to do it this way, you will have to keep track of 3 -4 37spin cycles.

[Azim]

29 22 20 3 16 4 34 2 33 12 31 11 32 22 29 0 18 19 21 10 9 10

These are actual number's from an auto roulette machine.

If you missed the 29 and 22 there is 20 number's before a repeat. Unless I have missed a number.

That's one of the reasons, playing auto roulette is awesome. You not forced to make a bet to get it to spin.

You wait for a situation like this and now wait. once we have repeat starting to come. They will come for about 10 - 12 spins gap.

[Colbster]

I was just using repeats as an example of how I saw cycles.  I wasn't actually implying anything about tracking for a repeat.  I'm sorry if it seemed like I was.

[Azim]

I have a feeling you have a merit point as long as we not just going after repeats but there is quite a bit of tracking involved.

Colbster, can I hijack your thread or do you want me to start a new one?

If you are good with it, let's try this with someone posting 30 spins. Minimum start will have to be at 30 spins and play this out till our first hit.

[Colbster]

Have at it, Azim! 

[Azim]

Id on't want to use my own number's anyone willing to have a go with 30 numbers?

[MrG]

Id on't want to use my own number's anyone willing to have a go with 30 numbers?

Here you are:
7
2
12
7
22
10
14
2
35
18
29
24
26
1
23
19
34
36
35
22
23
33
25
19
34
18
14
6
14
36

They are from random.org, hope it doesn't matter. :-)

[Azim]

It doesn't matter. As long as you are honest about the results I predict.

I would normally start with $50.00 on a 0.10 cent table which would give me 500 units.

30 number's tell me that in the first 37 cycle we have 18 number's that are sleeping, 9 numbers that have hit once and 9 numbers that have hit twice and and 1 number that has hit 3 times.

The same number's from 15th spin on has a 37 cycle were the number's are 26 number's that are sleeping, 6 number's have hit once and 5 number's have hit twice and no number's have hit 3 times.


Which means if i were to play the next spin the number's I would play are : 1, 2, 10 ,12, 24,26, 29 and  7.
Playing 8 numbers brings my bankroll to 492.

When you ready. Let me know the next number.

[nottophammer]

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