What is the safest "grind" system?

[doubledime]

Let's say that one has all the time in the world and plays on a very fast RNG, what is be the safest progression (one that does not get too large too fast but can recover) to use?  I would like to hear some opinions.  Thanks DD 

[GLC]

Mr. Twenty cents 

Here's the system.  It's almost foolproof but it does require tracking and being able to focus like a lazer beam.

Track all three of the even chance bets until you get a streak of 4 of the same e.c. then start betting for it to end.  So if you get 4 Reds in a row, start betting for a Black to hit.  We bet an aggressive D'Alembert of 1-3-5-7-9-11-13-15 etc...  We move 1 level to the right on a loss and 1 level to the left on a win.  Any win stops the attack and we re-track for another betting opportunity.  If we're not at a new high after our hit, we continue at the same place in the bet line on the next betting opportunity.

If you get good enough, you can look for chops also.  We look for BRBRB this is 4 chops in a row so now we bet for a repeat of the last result which is another way of saying an end to the chops.  In this example, we would bet for another B.  A win would be this BRBRBB.  A loss would be BRBRBR and in the case of a loss, we move 1 level to the right in our bet line and we continue to bet for the chops to end.  In other words we bet for an R.  A win would give us this BRBRBRR etc...  Once we win, we re-track for another betting opportunity.  Remember to stay at the same point in your bet line if you're not at a new high bank.

At times you will have multiple bets going.

Also, play the same way on the 2:1 bets (dozens/columns).  Wait for a dozen to sleep for 6 spins and start betting on it using this line: 1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5-6-6 etc... Move 1 step to the right on a loss and 2 steps to the left on a win.  Remember to stay at the same point in your bet line between attacks unless you reach a new profit at which time you re-set back to the first 1.

Why not play the lines.  Wait for a line to miss for 12 times and start betting on it using this bet line: 1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-4-5-5-5-5 etc...  Move 1 step to the right on a loss and 5 steps to the left on a win.

Streets?  1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3 etc...  Wait for a street to not hit for 24 times and start betting for it to hit.  Move 1 step to the right on a loss and move 11 steps to the left on a win.  The 1st win ends the attack.  If not at a new profit, start the next attack at the same point on the line.

It's not so hard to play for streaks to end on the e.c.s and also the dozens.  Adding chops to the e.c.s gets pretty hairy especially if you are also playing the dozens, lines and streets.

If you're good enough, you can play splits.  Wait for 36 misses then the bet line is adapted per above.
Straight up numbers.  72 misses.

That's my 20 cents worth.

GLC

[GLC]

What?  I'm replying to my own post.  Oh well!

Along with waiting for a dozen to sleep for 6 spins, you can play Atlantis/Buffalo's roulette warfare system.  Just wait for 6 spins with no repeat dozen and then start betting for a repeat.  Use the same bet line for dozens as in the above post.

Same thing for Lines.  Wait 12 spins with no repeat and start betting for a repeat.

Etc...

I know that there's no mathematical logic to playing this way, but I've always come out ahead.  I usually play the e.c.s and the dozens or I play the dozens, lines and streets.  I play an airball machine so I have a reasonable amount of time between bets and I can use all the pen and paper I want.

I suggest that you put a maximum number of bets per trigger.  I use the following:

e.c.s    2
doz      3
lines   6
streets  12

[GLC]

Here's how Nathanael, my brother, likes to play this.

He waits until a streak of 4 on the e.c.s and then he plays a modified marty.  My modification of course.  1-2-3-5-9.  If he loses 5 bets in a row, he will have had 9 of a color or 9 chops and it costs him 20 units.  If he's still plus overall, he stays at the 1-2-3-5-9 level.  If he's below his starting bank, he plays 2-4-6-10-18 until he gets back to even and then he drops back down to 1-2-3-5-9.  I know, if you lose on the 5 or 9 bet, you lose either 1 or 2 units at the base level.  But it seems to be worth it.

Simultaneously he plays double dozens.  He tracks until 2 of the dozens have missed a total of 7 times in any combination and then he bets 1-1; 3-3; 9-9.  If he loses and he has more money than he started with, he stays at the 1-1  3-3  9-9  level but if he's below his starting bank, he plays 2-2; 6-6; 18-18 until he gets back to even and then it's back to 1-1  3-3  9-9.

So, any time he's above his starting bank, he plays at the basic level and any time he's minus, he plays at the doubled up level.

He's pretty lucky with it.  Test it some and see what you think.

GLC

[doubledime]

Thank you GLC for spending all the time you did to answer my question.  Very very helpful. 

[GLC]

Here's another idea.

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14759.new#new

GLC

[mogul397]

Well I glanced at my data and this idea seems doomed. Waiting for 4 and chasing it.

[thelaw]

Mr. Twenty cents 

Here's the system.  It's almost foolproof but it does require tracking and being able to focus like a lazer beam.

Track all three of the even chance bets until you get a streak of 4 of the same e.c. then start betting for it to end.  So if you get 4 Reds in a row, start betting for a Black to hit.  We bet an aggressive D'Alembert of 1-3-5-7-9-11-13-15 etc...  We move 1 level to the right on a loss and 1 level to the left on a win.  Any win stops the attack and we re-track for another betting opportunity.  If we're not at a new high after our hit, we continue at the same place in the bet line on the next betting opportunity.

If you get good enough, you can look for chops also.  We look for BRBRB this is 4 chops in a row so now we bet for a repeat of the last result which is another way of saying an end to the chops.  In this example, we would bet for another B.  A win would be this BRBRBB.  A loss would be BRBRBR and in the case of a loss, we move 1 level to the right in our bet line and we continue to bet for the chops to end.  In other words we bet for an R.  A win would give us this BRBRBRR etc...  Once we win, we re-track for another betting opportunity.  Remember to stay at the same point in your bet line if you're not at a new high bank.

At times you will have multiple bets going.

Also, play the same way on the 2:1 bets (dozens/columns).  Wait for a dozen to sleep for 6 spins and start betting on it using this line: 1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5-6-6 etc... Move 1 step to the right on a loss and 2 steps to the left on a win.  Remember to stay at the same point in your bet line between attacks unless you reach a new profit at which time you re-set back to the first 1.

Why not play the lines.  Wait for a line to miss for 12 times and start betting on it using this bet line: 1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-4-5-5-5-5 etc...  Move 1 step to the right on a loss and 5 steps to the left on a win.

Streets?  1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3 etc...  Wait for a street to not hit for 24 times and start betting for it to hit.  Move 1 step to the right on a loss and move 11 steps to the left on a win.  The 1st win ends the attack.  If not at a new profit, start the next attack at the same point on the line.

It's not so hard to play for streaks to end on the e.c.s and also the dozens.  Adding chops to the e.c.s gets pretty hairy especially if you are also playing the dozens, lines and streets.

If you're good enough, you can play splits.  Wait for 36 misses then the bet line is adapted per above.
Straight up numbers.  72 misses.

That's my 20 cents worth.

GLC

Well, it looks like you beat the "monster sequence" GLC.

Please let me know if I missed something.

Here are the results :

1600 spins

Largest Draw-down : -138 units

Highest Bank: +69 units

End Bank: +65 units

Largest Bet : 31 units

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L   1
W   3   +66*
W
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L
W   1   +67*
W
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L
L
L
W   1   +68*
W
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L
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L
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W   1   +69*
L
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L   1
L   3   +65------------Total : +65 units

Notes : This sequence comes out to roughly 27hrs of play (at 60 spins per hour) which equals about 2.5 units per hour.

If we consider a table with a $1000 limit, and our top bet at 50 units (highly unlikely as we only went to 31 here) then we can safely wager $20/unit giving us a total profit of $50/hr or about $100,000 per year working a 40hr week.

[RouletteGhost]

which of GLC progression did you use and what bet selection?

[thelaw]

which of GLC progression did you use and what bet selection?

Progression (one mentioned in first post here) : 1-3-5-7-9-11-13-15-17-etc (just add 2) - move to right after loss, or left after win (each win ends session and your start tracking again)- return to 1 after new high bank - bet after 4 in a row (didn't try the chop method)

[thelaw]

Update : System failed in further trials.

[Chris555p]

Try with Star progression; With a hit rate rate of about 30% on any ec u are in profit......lol lol

[RouletteGhost]

Green machine how is that method working out for you?

[Chris555p]

If these systems work, everyone will just be playing roulette, and be rich by next tuesday.....lol lol

[warrior]

Early  days yet. I keep trying new systems and progressions. They all seem to tank eventually
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