Dynamic Betting + Cold Number Tracking. ~ Possible Holy Grail?

[RouletteKnight]

I have tried this method a bit and I really like it alot. The betting is very minimal, only downside is this system is very complex to do without a software. But with a software it is easy. Maybe it is a possible holy grail? You only bet a few units at most on a few numbers, which I really like and the numbers hit often. I had two session below where the number reaches more than 200+ without a hit but as you can see there really isn't a huge drawdown and is very balanced.



Dynamic Betting

Firstly, you have to understand dynamic betting which is a very simple system. The meaning of dynamic betting is to bet in such a way that you bet the lowest amount that is able to recover your previous bankroll balance. Say for example you have 500 chips. You bet 1 unit on 1 number. So in order to recover, once it reaches 465 chips, you have to increase to 2 units for that number. If you continue betting on that number for 2 units you cannot let it below 430 units (Or you wouldn't recover so you have to increase to 3 units).

Put it simply. 1 unit bet = 35 units allowed before increasing the bet.

So what if you are playing say 2 numbers? The same system applies. Lets say 500 starting chips betting at 2 numbers 1 unit each. You can only bet till the lowest 430 units (Before you increase one of the number to 2 units), to make it 3 units total (2 units on 1 number, and 1 unit on 1 number) which you then can continue betting until it reaches 395 bankroll balance. (Threshold for 3 units bet = 35 x 3 =105)

Understand?

Now on to cold number tracking...

Cold Number Tracking

Very simple, we track ALL the numbers. place 1 unit on each number that hasn't hit for 100 spins...the betting unit stays the same until it reaches a balance where you have to increase 1 betting unit as explained on the dynamic betting method.

Where to place that 1 additional betting unit every time an increase is needed?

Simple, place it at the number that hasn't appeared the longest. However, lets say you have 3 numbers where 2 numbers at 1 unit each and a single number at 2 units. Then place the additional unit on that 2nd number that hasn't appeared the longest to make it 2 units each on 2 numbers and 1 unit on 1 number.

Anytime a number hits (Remove that number obviously), then re-evaluate your bankroll and then tailor the betting units to the remaining numbers using the dynamic betting method so that it can recover your previous high.

Combine the two methods, using the cold number tracking and the dynamic betting method above, we are able to create a very POWERFUL system that can rake in the cash.

Wish I didn't confuse you and good luck! 

If you have anything not sure, feel free to ask...

[ozon]

cold numbers can sleep 500 spins ,what will  you  do  then.

you don't bet on only 1 number (As you bet on 1 unit for each number that reaches 100 spins), so the betting units don't go up high. Even the number that was sleeping for 200+ spins, I was betting 1 or 2 units on it only..

Granted, I don't know how 500 sleeper spins will play out but the units regularly reset to 1 unit. All I can say is try it yourself.

[RouletteKnight]

cold numbers can sleep 500 spins ,what will  you  do  then.

you don't bet on only 1 number (As you bet on 1 unit for each number that reaches 100 spins), so the betting units don't go up high. Even the number that was sleeping for 200+ spins, I was betting 1 or 2 units on it only..

Granted, I don't know how 500 sleeper spins will play out but the units regularly reset to 1 unit. All I can say is try it yourself.

[RouletteKnight]

Further to add since you will be playing a few numbers (Numbers that hasn't appeared for 100 spins), even if one sleeps for awhile it will still be fine with the above betting method as long as the other numbers hit (Which they will).

Hope this method isn't too complicated that it will put people off. Although with the Roulette Xtreme software it is easy to play and im doing well over there so far.

[Chris555p]

Sorry to sound negative; But been there, done that, this method is not only a waste of time,
but a real looser as well.

[iggiv]

Chris i second this

[RouletteKnight]

Guys have you actually tried this method as I explained? I'm still winning with this method at spin 2449, my starting bankroll was 500, current bankroll is 1369. Only downside is that sometimes, it goes on "limbo" and it takes time to profit.

The longest sleeper was 269 spins and it recovered. In fact, if you use the betting method as described, sleepers don't really matter at all. As anytime another numbers reaches the 100 spins not appeared mark, You "share" the bets and distribute. So lets say you have one lone sleeper with 5 units on it, another number has reached the 100 spins not appeared, then you split 3 units on the sleeper and 2 units on the new number. So even if that sleeper continues sleeping but the new number hits, you successfully reduced your bet on the sleeper from 5 units to 3 units and also increase your bankroll to be able to reach a new high. This can be applied again when new numbers are introduced and the bets are distributed again.

As you can see from above, doing so would protect yourself from "sleepers".

[falkor]

Have you tried using software to simulate 1,000 to 1,000,000 spins on this?

I can give this a try, but do you have to split units 2:1 on different chips or can you just watch them independently, ie. number 1 is on its 30th spin so no need to increase for another 5 spins; number 2 is on it's 20th spin so still has another 15 to go, etc?

It's very similar to the other system in the top of the testing zone, but that doesn't have much to say about cold tracking other than use any method necessary to find hot/cold number. His chart stops at 10 chips; would yours continue beyond that?

9   win   10   win
9   28   10   28
9   19   10   18
9   10   10   8
9   1      

[iggiv]

tracking cold numbers is a loser. Now you are lucky. Some people won a lot with red/black and negative martingale. But if you push it further you will lose everything.

[RouletteGhost]

if i was going to do a number system based on 10 spins i would look at the 10 most recent spins and bet on the other 26 numbers plus 0

[iggiv]

it will lose eventually. Why do you have always to look at the last 10 numbers? Look at different numbers of last numbers. Make it different. Roulette kills all consistent patterns, remember it.

[RouletteKnight]

Have you tried using software to simulate 1,000 to 1,000,000 spins on this?

I can give this a try, but do you have to split units 2:1 on different chips or can you just watch them independently, ie. number 1 is on its 30th spin so no need to increase for another 5 spins; number 2 is on it's 20th spin so still has another 15 to go, etc?

It's very similar to the other system in the top of the testing zone, but that doesn't have much to say about cold tracking other than use any method necessary to find hot/cold number. His chart stops at 10 chips; would yours continue beyond that?

9   win   10   win
9   28   10   28
9   19   10   18
9   10   10   8
9   1

Hi falkor, no you dont do it like that independently. Simple rules, anytime a number does not appear for 100 spins you place a betting unit (This can be 1 unit or more as previous post I mentioned, but usually 1 unit). The dynamic betting is such that you do not bet it in a way as you elaborated above, you bet it in a way with respect to your current bankroll to the previous high bankroll with a chance to recover.

Lets say you have 2 numbers, 1 unit each like your example above. Your previous high bankroll is 500. Current bankroll is 460. You can continue betting 1 unit each on the 2 numbers until it reached bankroll 430, whereby you increase the longest sleeper to 2 units while remaining the other number at 1 unit. From then on you can continue betting until bankroll reaches 395. (Remember each betting unit has a 35 units tolerance). So 500 - (3 X 35) = 395

This is one scenario, another is that while betting 1 unit on 2 numbers each and another number to be bet has appeared, you then proceed to bet 1 unit each on 3 numbers, and also increasing the bankroll tolerance to 395, which then upon reaching also you proceed to increase the longest sleeper to 2 units while remaining the other 2 numbers at 1 unit each.

Following above example, at 2 units on longest sleeper and 1 unit on 2 numbers, if it continues to bankroll 360 (tolerance level), then you proceed to increase 1 unit on the 2nd longest sleeper to have 2 units on the longest sleeper and 2nd longest sleeper each, and 1 unit on the other sleeper. As you can see the betting is spread out, so even if the longest sleeper continues to sleep, as long as the other sleepers hit the betting units never increase drastically.

Hope this clears your doubts.

[GLC]

RK,  You know that I always point out that if this system works on straight up numbers, it should also work on Streets.  Instead of 100 misses on a number, you would look for 33 misses on a street.  Everything else would be played the same way, only the time spent at the table could be shortened.  I guess the killer might be that because of the limited number of bet positions, 12 vs 36, multiple bet locations may not come around often enough.

Just a thought.

GLC

[falkor]

Hi falkor, no you dont do it like that independently. Simple rules, anytime a number does not appear for 100 spins you place a betting unit (This can be 1 unit or more as previous post I mentioned, but usually 1 unit). The dynamic betting is such that you do not bet it in a way as you elaborated above, you bet it in a way with respect to your current bankroll to the previous high bankroll with a chance to recover.

Lets say you have 2 numbers, 1 unit each like your example above. Your previous high bankroll is 500. Current bankroll is 460. You can continue betting 1 unit each on the 2 numbers until it reached bankroll 430, whereby you increase the longest sleeper to 2 units while remaining the other number at 1 unit. From then on you can continue betting until bankroll reaches 395. (Remember each betting unit has a 35 units tolerance). So 500 - (3 X 35) = 395

This is one scenario, another is that while betting 1 unit on 2 numbers each and another number to be bet has appeared, you then proceed to bet 1 unit each on 3 numbers, and also increasing the bankroll tolerance to 395, which then upon reaching also you proceed to increase the longest sleeper to 2 units while remaining the other 2 numbers at 1 unit each.

Following above example, at 2 units on longest sleeper and 1 unit on 2 numbers, if it continues to bankroll 360 (tolerance level), then you proceed to increase 1 unit on the 2nd longest sleeper to have 2 units on the longest sleeper and 2nd longest sleeper each, and 1 unit on the other sleeper. As you can see the betting is spread out, so even if the longest sleeper continues to sleep, as long as the other sleepers hit the betting units never increase drastically.

Hope this clears your doubts.

Your bets are based on recovering the bankroll, but the other guy's bets are based on increasing units per number after 35,20, x,x,x spins, etc. Both of your systems would increase 1 number by 1 unit after 35 bets regardless of whether you monitor spin # vs. bankroll. The only difference with your system besides cold tracking is that you split the bets across several numbers, which can only work based on bank roll, but over complicates the software side of things because you have to keep track of bank roll deficits vs. profit.

If you had 6 sleepers on the go, would the betting scheme be 2:2:2:2:2:1 until you recover your money? In that case, surely you would have to increase one or more to 3 units after your bankroll reduces to how much? Have you worked out exactly how you would do that?

[falkor]

My calculations don't seem to match yours when I try to apply your rules to 2 sleepers:

Spin, max bet for longest sleeper, loss, sleeper 1, sleeper 2
34   1   -68   1   1
35   1   -70   1   1
36   2   -76   2   1
37   2   -82   2   1

If I win on spin 35 then my profit is 34, but that isn't enough to recover 68.
If I win on spin 36 then my profit is 69, but that isn't enough to recover 70.

Where am I going wrong?