Hollandish Roulette system

[RouletteGhost]

The levels are in groups of 3

the progression: 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 etc, increasing by two

1 1 1
3 3 3
5 5 5
7 7 7
9 9 9

start with 1 unit, if you are up after 3 spins stay at one unit. if you are down raise to 3 units, if at any point you are up drop back to 1 unit and starta nother series of 3. If you are down after betting 3 units 3 times raise to 5 units.

link:://:.x/2010/07/hollandish-roulette-system.html

[RouletteGhost]

link:://:.roulettestrategy.net/Hollandish-Roulette-Strategy.htm

[ausguy]

The Guetting progression (GP) would be worth comparing. GP may not win you more but certainly would lose less bet for bet & therefore safer.

[mohitomish]

I play 9 nos for 6 spins expecting a win once. Once i hit within 6 spins ( maybe 1st  second  etc) i stop and look for another trigger. as per
my tests i miss after 4 to 5 wins on average.

I would like to know what wud be the guetting or hollandish progression fr this strategy..

Thanks

[ausguy]

Mo - Howdy my friend. You should be able to test the Hollandish progression from the link Rich has already posted on here.

The Guetting Progression has plenty on Google. A good one is win-maxx.com. It shows the original idea 100+ years ago when money values were different.

Because a level 2 unit value is 1.5 units, the values may need to be x 2 on all the units to match modern day values, unless you are playing 10 cent & 50 cent, or similar, low value games ?

Of interest also should be the bottom chart that compares Guettings progression with some of the other well known progressions.

All the best with it.

[RouletteGhost]

guetting progression is fantastic. however hollandash is a negative progression unlike the GP

i think the hollandash is good because it is a very conservative negative progression, it doesnt get out of hand

i think it would be fantastic on HIGH/LOW bets. perhaps wait for high to hit 3 times then bet LOW using the hollandash

[RouletteGhost]

tested on baccarat shoe

see attachment

same as even chances on roulette, obviously

as you can see I wont 5 units on the shoe

[GLC]

tested on baccarat shoe

see attachment

same as even chances on roulette, obviously

as you can see I wont 5 units on the shoe

Richbailey,  I just want to make sure we're all on the same page regarding how the hollandish betting system is played.  I will not use your triple concept in my explanation because it is actually a variation from the basic system.  I'm not saying it's a bad variation, but not the pure hollandish system.

With the pure system, you play at 1 unit until you have a loss.  Once you lose a 1 unit bet, you start betting 3 units.  You bet 3 units until you win one which will eliminate the 1 unit loss.  If while you were betting 3 units, you started off with one or more losses, you write a 3 down for every loss to the right of the 1 until you finally have a win to cancel the one.  Then, if you have 3's written down, you begin betting 5 unit bets to eliminate the 3's.  Every time you have a loss at 5 units, you write a 5 down to the right of the 3's.  You continue to bet 5 units until you have won 1 time for each of the 3's you had written down.  Please note that this will usually be more or less than just three 3's or 5's or 7's.

You will notice that you win a profit of 2 units every time you cross off a number at the lower level.  If, when you've crossed off all the 3's, you have some 5's that you had to write down because of losses, you move to 7's to recoup the 5's.  You continue in this fashion until you either reach a win target, say 25 units or for extreme safety you can play in this manner until you reach a hew high overall bank balance then reset to 1.

An obvious option is to play 1-2-3-4-5-6-7 etc... instead of 1-3-5-7-9 etc...  You only win 1 unit instead of 2 for each lose/win combination, but your bets climb slower also.

Stretching it out like you propose is a fine idea as well but here's what you should try.  Start betting 1 unit until you get behind by 3 units.  You will have three 1's in your recovery line.  Then go to a 3 unit (or 2 if you want safety) bet level and cross off a 1 for every win and write down a 3 for every loss that occurs before you've crossed off all the 1's.  When you cross off your last 1, you may have anywhere from 0 to 10 or more 3's to cross off.  By staying at the  3 level until you cross off all the 1's no matter how many times you lose, you keep your bets from escalating to rapidly when you have a really bad loss to win stretch of bets.  Doing it this way, a high number of losses doesn't shoot your bet size through the roof.  As a matter of fact, I have played this way and had as many as 15 losses at the 3 level trying to eliminate three 1's.  Believe me when I say I was very happy that I didn't increase my bet size until I had won 3 times rather than every time I lost 3 times.

You can do what you like, I'm just making this post for clarity for our guests who might be reading this.

Cheers my friend,

GLC

[RouletteGhost]

thanks for the explanation

helpful 

i saw it in another way

[RouletteGhost]

i kind of like my little tweak of how i explained it......

won 5 units and my bet lost more times than won

[GLC]

Richbailey,  I just want to make sure we're all on the same page regarding how the hollandish betting system is played.  I will not use your triple concept in my explanation because it is actually a variation from the basic system.  I'm not saying it's a bad variation, but not the pure hollandish system.

With the pure system, you play at 1 unit until you have a loss.  Once you lose a 1 unit bet, you start betting 3 units.  You bet 3 units until you win one which will eliminate the 1 unit loss.  If while you were betting 3 units, you started off with one or more losses, you write a 3 down for every loss to the right of the 1 until you finally have a win to cancel the one.  Then, if you have 3's written down, you begin betting 5 unit bets to eliminate the 3's.  Every time you have a loss at 5 units, you write a 5 down to the right of the 3's.  You continue to bet 5 units until you have won 1 time for each of the 3's you had written down.  Please note that this will usually be more or less than just three 3's or 5's or 7's.

You will notice that you win a profit of 2 units every time you cross off a number at the lower level.  If, when you've crossed off all the 3's, you have some 5's that you had to write down because of losses, you move to 7's to recoup the 5's.  You continue in this fashion until you either reach a win target, say 25 units or for extreme safety you can play in this manner until you reach a hew high overall bank balance then reset to 1.

An obvious option is to play 1-2-3-4-5-6-7 etc... instead of 1-3-5-7-9 etc...  You only win 1 unit instead of 2 for each lose/win combination, but your bets climb slower also.

Stretching it out like you propose is a fine idea as well but here's what you should try.  Start betting 1 unit until you get behind by 3 units.  You will have three 1's in your recovery line.  Then go to a 3 unit (or 2 if you want safety) bet level and cross off a 1 for every win and write down a 3 for every loss that occurs before you've crossed off all the 1's.  When you cross off your last 1, you may have anywhere from 0 to 10 or more 3's to cross off.  By staying at the  3 level until you cross off all the 1's no matter how many times you lose, you keep your bets from escalating to rapidly when you have a really bad loss to win stretch of bets.  Doing it this way, a high number of losses doesn't shoot your bet size through the roof.  As a matter of fact, I have played this way and had as many as 15 losses at the 3 level trying to eliminate three 1's.  Believe me when I say I was very happy that I didn't increase my bet size until I had won 3 times rather than every time I lost 3 times.

You can do what you like, I'm just making this post for clarity for our guests who might be reading this.

Cheers my friend,

GLC

Another way to look at this is as follows.  Let's say we stay at the 1 unit level until we get 3 bets behind.  Our line will look like this:  1  1  1 and we start betting 2 units to recover the 3 losses at the 1st level.  (I prefer increasing by 1 unit each level.  Each can use what they like.  It's a matter of bankroll and risk tolerance.)  If we start off with 2 wins, we have recovered all three units plus 1 for profit.  Why not start over with 1 unit bets and keep our bet sizes to a minimum.  We can do each level this way.  If we started betting at the 2 unit level and had 4 losses then a win then 4 more losses and finally our 2nd win, we would have recovered all 3 lost units from level 1 plus 1 unit profit and we'd have 8X2=16 units to recover from level 2.  We bet 3 units for our recovery of level 2 losses which means we must win 6 times at level 3 to recover the 16 lost units in level 2 and we also have 2 units for profit.

The sequences that will kill us are LLLWLLWLLWLLWLLLWWLLWLWLLWWLLLW ETC...  This pattern of 2 or more losses between 1 to 2 wins kills almost every progression if it carries on for too long except a martingale or a fibonacci.  A marty will cut through this pattern like a hot knife through butter.  As long as we don't have 5 losses in a row, we'll keep winning.  A fibo wins every time we get 2 wins in a row.  The above pattern has 12 losses in a row before we get a double win.  We'd have to bet 233 and then 144.  If we didn't get the double win, we'd be betting 377 next.  Pretty risky unless you're playing for small stakes.

What happens with the Hollandish progression is if we start off with a couple of losses, by the time we have enough wins to recover the losses from the previous level, we have too many larger losses to recover with only a few wins and we keep going higher with our bet sizes.  We need to start off a level with a good win to loss ratio to close the gap.  This is the way with almost all progressions.  You need a win rich sequence to close the gap and recover losses.

So, the Hollandish is really not any better than any other progression.  They all have their Achilles heel.

GLC