Why do you believe Roulette can be beaten?

[Turner]

Thanks George for bringing this to a calm conclusion.
Now.....roulette!

[nottophammer]

to save a lot of reading,can someone give a brief discription of the star system, thanks NTP

[Proofreaders2000]

Star System

Choose an even chance Red/Black, Odd/Even, High/Low

Note the dominant of the last five outcomes.

Bet with a 1,2,3,5,8 (stop) progression.

Repeat steps for each new outcome.

Aim for two wins per session.

[GLC]

Here's another way to play the star system.

To begin with, we must win 2 times in a row to reach a new high bank and reset.

It starts with a pre-progression mode.  In the pre-progression mode we bet parlay bets.  I use 1-1-1-2.  That means if we win on any bet, we let-it-ride.  A 2nd win in a row puts us ahead and we reset.

If we lose all 3 pre-progression bets, we move to 5-10-15-25-40.  These are the main bets and represent Proofs 1-2-3-5-8 series only it's times 5.

These are repeat bets.  Let's say we're betting the 5 unit level.  We must win betting 5 units 2 times in a row.  This will put us up +5 units.  It's different from the pre-progression bets because we don't let-it-ride, we repeat the same size bet.  We still must win 2 times in a row but the advantage is that if we win the 1st 5 unit bet and lose the 2nd 5 unit bet, we haven't lost anything yet, so we repeat the 1st 5 unit bet.  We don't move to the 10 unit bet unless we lose the 1st 5 unit bet. 

The same thing for the 10-15-25-40 bets.  They are all played the same way.  If we win 2 times in a row, it will put us ahead 5 units overall and we can reset for another attack.

The author suggests having recovery banks in case you lose all 9 bets of the basic attack.  He has a special formula, but basically you can figure doubling the size of your units for each recovery stage.

Base bet sizes are:  1-1-1-2  |  5-10-15-25-40
Recovery 1 bet sizes are:   2-2-2-4  |  10-20-30-50-80
Recovery 2 bet sizes are:   4-4-4-8  |  20-40-60-100-160

That represents a 100 unit loss for the base bets, a 200 unit loss for recovery 1, and a 400 unit loss for recovery 2 for a whopping 700 unit loss if you lose all 3 attacks.  That's 700 units less any won units prior to losing a 9 bet sequence.

If you want, you can add a small measure of safety by 1 more step in the pre-progression stage.  By using 1-1-1-2-2, you still reach a new high bank on a parlay win, but you only win 3 units when you win a double win in the repeat stage.  That extra shot to stay in the game can make a big difference sometimes.  Other times not so much.

The Star system was originally designed to be played on blackjack because it takes advantage of the double down bets and the 1.5 payout for a blackjack, but it can be played on any even chance bet.

[RouletteGhost]

Thanks glc for the breakdown. I always thought u go up a level hoping for 2 wins in a row. I did not know if u win at 5 bet 5 again and if win reset. I always thought if win at 5 then bet 10 then if win 10 reset. I was wrong!

It really seems star is some sort of grail. You have so many chances to win 2 in a row

[falkor]

That's a great overview from GLC - very well explained! I wonder if waiting around for 3-4 ECs to come in a row before commencing might also help with the Star System? (others have developed their own tracking/trigger methods based around the 3 ECs). I would be scared to use any system on EC unless I was covered for at least 22 losses in a row.

I want to compare winkel's system on Dozens: it should be the Fibonacci sequence * 2 each spin (instead of * 5 for a Double Street).
16 * 5 = 80 bets (DS sleeps for 79 bets max)
16 * 2 = 32 (Dozens sleep for ? bets max)

winkel would only be covered for 16 bets if he was using EC, so it seems better made for DS or possibly Dozens.

Both these systems could potentially benefit from a few "add-ons"!

[RouletteGhost]

I have a much better understanding of star now but still have some confusion

If you go through set 1 without winning 2 in a row then you go to recovery 1. Once at recovery 1 when do you go back to the beginning (level 1)  because 2 wins in a row in recover 1 wont recover what was lost in stage 1

I understand the pre progression bets are parlayed and the main progression bets are re bets and not parlays

But if you go through 9 bets without 2 in a row and you goto recovery 1, 2 wins back to back at recovery 1 doesn't compensate for previous losses

This requires good bet selection. I suspect playing this with 3 random double streets would be a good idea and who knows, you may never even have to goto recovery 1

As a matter of fact if I was to try this id bet 3 double streets and use the star progression. Id choose 1 double street in middle of each dozen since that is equivalent to an EC bet. To go 9 times with no back to back win would be unlikely

How to play 3 separate double streets as an EC using star? Simple. $15 base unit. $5 on each double street

[falkor]

I want to compare winkel's system on Dozens: it should be the Fibonacci sequence * 2 each spin (instead of * 5 for a Double Street).
16 * 5 = 80 bets (DS sleeps for 79 bets max)
16 * 2 = 32 (Dozens sleep for ? bets max)

winkel would only be covered for 16 bets if he was using EC, so it seems better made for DS or possibly Dozens.

= 35
So the system clearly works better on the Double Streets compared to Dozens.

Next test: High/Low vs. 3 Double Streets

[Chris555p]

Never play the way Mr Casino's wants u to play, otherwise you will always be the looser;
Playing 3 DS is a much better way to bet 18 nos compared to traditional ec bets,
and it is also much cheaper ....
Check out the Wheel, the answer is sitting right there.

Forget R/B; H/L; O/E.....lol lol

[RouletteGhost]

That's what I mean chris. Star system on 3 double streets I think its the best idea!!

[Chris555p]

Yes; Drawback with Star Progression is that we need two wins in a row to profit.

Otherwise soft progression for ec gets the job done without needing 2 wins in a row
to be in profit.

[falkor]

How are you guys calculating that 3 double streets are better than ECs? I'm running a test now so should have an answer in the next 15 minutes.

[RouletteGhost]

Test the 3 DS that r in the middle of each dozen

[Chris555p]

There are tricks of the trade my friend to get a hit within 5 spins without any ifs, when or buts.....;
Most of the hits are within 3 spins.

I'm talikng about real Wheel, no rng as this is not real roulette.

[Tamino]

No matter which way one slices the mustard  the other 19 or 20    numbers  can bite you  .