Some ideas on table layout betting. (Subject modified)

[vladir]

On this topic, I have analyzed 1.000.000 random numbers between 0-36. I can say that we always get a minimum of 4 lines with at least 2 numbers on each in a 37 cycle.

So, how to exploit this? I'm not sure of warriors way of playing, but taking some ideas from what has been said up till now, this is a way to approach it (Attention, this is not warrior's way of betting!):

phase 1 - we flat bet 1 unit in each line that has 1 single number hit on them until the line has 2 numbers hit. We stop after having 3 lines with 2 or more numbers on them. In the event that we have 4 or more lines with a single number on them, we stop betting and wait until we can continue with phase 1 or phase 1 is over because 3 lines have got their 2 numbers hit. When phase 1 is over, evaluate if we are in profit. If yes, start a new phase 1. If not, go to phase 2 (or go to phase 2 anyway if you like to try and  increase profits).

phase 2 - we will now use a progression. At least a 4th line will have 2 numbers hit before the 37 cycle ends and thats what we are aiming to. We will only bet the lines that have 1 number hit on them: this means we sometimes will have to wait until a line qualifies, or that we will be betting 1, 2 or 3 lines, depending if they have or not 1 number hit on them. A sligthly different formula is required for each case. This second phase may end up requiring a big BR...

[Chris555p]

@ Vladir - Thanks for your analysis.

However, at post 158 Warrior indicates that by spin 13 the maximum unit he was betting was 4. 
Therefore, I don't think that he is flatbetting.

Cheers

Chris

[vladir]

@ Vladir - Thanks for your analysis.

However, at post 158 Warrior indicates that by spin 13 the maximum unit he was betting was 4. 
Therefore, I don't think that he is flatbetting.

Cheers

Chris

What I suggested is not warrior's betting way.  It's something different. Warriors way is still a puzzle to me.

[Chris555p]

Oki I see, thanks.

[JimmieB]

On this topic, I have analyzed 1.000.000 random numbers between 0-36. I can say that we always get a minimum of 4 lines with at least 2 numbers on each in a 37 cycle.

So, how to exploit this? I'm not sure of warriors way of playing, but taking some ideas from what has been said up till now, this is a way to approach it (Attention, this is not warrior's way of betting!):

phase 1 - we flat bet 1 unit in each line that has 1 single number hit on them until the line has 2 numbers hit. We stop after having 3 lines with 2 or more numbers on them. In the event that we have 4 or more lines with a single number on them, we stop betting and wait until we can continue with phase 1 or phase 1 is over because 3 lines have got their 2 numbers hit. When phase 1 is over, evaluate if we are in profit. If yes, start a new phase 1. If not, go to phase 2 (or go to phase 2 anyway if you like to try and  increase profits).

phase 2 - we will now use a progression. At least a 4th line will have 2 numbers hit before the 37 cycle ends and thats what we are aiming to. We will only bet the lines that have 1 number hit on them: this means we sometimes will have to wait until a line qualifies, or that we will be betting 1, 2 or 3 lines, depending if they have or not 1 number hit on them. A sligthly different formula is required for each case. This second phase may end up requiring a big BR...

Hi Vladir,

I know you don't think this is Warrior's way, however, I do think this maybe close....

Jim

[warrior]

On this topic, I have analyzed 1.000.000 random numbers between 0-36. I can say that we always get a minimum of 4 lines with at least 2 numbers on each in a 37 cycle.

So, how to exploit this? I'm not sure of warriors way of playing, but taking some ideas from what has been said up till now, this is a way to approach it (Attention, this is not warrior's way of betting!):

phase 1 - we flat bet 1 unit in each line that has 1 single number hit on them until the line has 2 numbers hit. We stop after having 3 lines with 2 or more numbers on them. In the event that we have 4 or more lines with a single number on them, we stop betting and wait until we can continue with phase 1 or phase 1 is over because 3 lines have got their 2 numbers hit. When phase 1 is over, evaluate if we are in profit. If yes, start a new phase 1. If not, go to phase 2 (or go to phase 2 anyway if you like to try and  increase profits).

phase 2 - we will now use a progression. At least a 4th line will have 2 numbers hit before the 37 cycle ends and thats what we are aiming to. We will only bet the lines that have 1 number hit on them: this means we sometimes will have to wait until a line qualifies, or that we will be betting 1, 2 or 3 lines, depending if they have or not 1 number hit on them. A sligthly different formula is required for each case. This second phase may end up requiring a big BR...

NOW YOUR THINKING !!!

[warrior]

Vladir I'm  Warming up to you .The way to take advantage like I said in the beginning of the tread is at the beginning of every cycle .
If you think on what you said to me on the ex .sometimes all 6 lines will appear therefore you have to use Commonsense  .this is what you have done good job.
The only flaw in roulette is law of third  with the numbers ,not the lines they show every six spin all them at times but not the numbers ,they hold true to the law.
NOW WORK WITH THIS you all will come to different way but the idea is what matters .forget all this pattern base system those are all illusions they don't exist .

[warrior]

If you haven't  found what I'm trying to say on all this interesting that's fine I'm not here to entertain just trying  to get everyone thinking about roulette again ,the forum has become stagnant with the same old systems going around and around one should use Commonsense to see if these system have been used before and not repost the same old crap.
I hope I have sparked some interest but for now I need to get back to my family commitment .I will be gone for a little  take warrior.
One more thing keep working at it you will find the way to bet this and make it profitable for you .
You won't need anything else focus on one thing and do it right that's the only way.

[falkor]

Does warrior perhaps formulate a new progression after each of the first few lines have hit their 2nd number - depending on whether there was a new high? Or does he keep putting a new chip on each line in the early stages until it has its 2nd number? Perhaps he then winds down waiting for the 4th line to hit nearer to the end? In other words "end = beginning" means to do all your progression near the beginning?

[Still]

Just a collection of clues before speculation on a bet selection begins.  First just trying to understand the clues.

"This idea will try and avoid sleepers towards the end of the cycle" ~ Warrior

Do you also try to avoid sleepers toward the beginning of the cycle?

"It's the last 12 to 14 numbers that don't show is the key to winning . Hitting on one of these numbers will make you a winner." ~Warrior

How do you hit on a number that does not show and/or is not expected to show, while at the same time trying to avoid numbers that don't show? This seems a contradiction.  Was there a mistype?

"Pay attention when you get the first new number and what happens from there on." ~ Warrior

It seems to me the first new number would be the very first spin!  Or, do you mean the first time you get the second unique number in a line?

"Betting  starts right a way at the beginning of every cycle. if you don't corner the bets right away you will lose." ~ Warrior

So betting starts right after the first spin?  Or, you bet just enough to get the wheel spinning?


At this point in the thread, perhaps speculation on bet selection is not yet invited.  Perhaps Warrior just wants more lists of 37 spins in the JimmieB format.  But there are other formats listing more details. Which of these formats is invited? Sometimes Warrior indicates the session was a winner, and sometimes he tells what spin the session won on.  That requires more details than the JimmieB format.

Question for Warrior:

Are you now expecting speculation on bet selection, or are you still just inviting 37 spin sessions in the format specified?  Which of the two or more formats are you inviting? 

I propose to put together an Excel book with one sheet per session, once the format(s) are identified and invited.  The book can have as many sample sessions as you like.  How many sessions would you like? Would you be willing to comment on all the sessions?  At this point, are you migrating toward more detailed comments, or will you just be telling whether the session won or lost?  If you are willing to tell what spin the session won on, i will include the detailed format.  If you are willing to comment on more than that, i will include the most detailed format of all.  Are you able to tell whether a session won just from the JimmieB format?

[falkor]

he might wait till 3 lines have had their 2nd number then switch to inside bets on individual numbers that had no show within the 3 remaining lines.

[RouletteGhost]

I cannot get his method but i play like this and it is serving me will on live wheel:

play each double street as it shows

1 chip on 1 double street, then 2 chips on 2 double street, then 3 chips on 3 double streets

if no hit then increase to 2 chips

then 2 chips on 1, 2 chips on 2, 2 chips on 3, so on and so forth

after 3 double street bets i reset and start over and start a new series of 1 to 3 double streets

martingale progression

continuously betting each double street as it shows with no more then 3 bets at a time

[falkor]

I'm working on some test data/analysis in the attached form.

I am going to be testing the max number of spins between hits re: 1st line with new number to 1st line with repeat or new number; to 2nd line with repeat or new number, etc.

I would also like to determine the following: if there is a large gap between, say, completing the 1st and 2nd line, does that mean there will be a smaller gap between completing the 3rd and 4th lines (and vice versa) or is there no pattern at all?

Finally, I would like to see if there's a pattern between numbers that have appeared, repeaters and sleepers compared to what's going on with the lines and above test results.

If you are betting 3 lines at once then you have to double up to keep afloat, so the max number of spins tolerated is only 11 before reaching table limits.

[nottophammer]

would these 20 spins win +10


Quote from: ignatus on October 23, 2014, 03:09:03 PM

    14 numbers hit 1 time, 8 numbers hit 2 times, 2 number hit 3 times or more during a 36 spin cycle
    14 numbers hit 1 time, 8 numbers hit 2 times, 2 number hit 3 times or more during a 36 spin cycle
    15 numbers hit 1 time, 9 numbers hit 2 times, 1 number hit 3 times or more during a 36 spin cycle
    13 numbers hit 1 time, 7 numbers hit 2 times, 3 number hit 3 times or more during a 36 spin cycle

32,24,12, 6,30,28,32,10,28,33,17,32,20,33,34, 6,13,27,35,31. 15 numbers 20 spins, 16 spins left. So whats likely to happen
                              R        R             R        R        R                       in the 16 spins. Have the next 40 spins for the answer
                                                       R       
                               

[falkor]

This is a very interesting system! I did some coding on this at about 4am this morning. Wow, some really amazing results so far after 270 sets... 

Where's warrior BTW? Has he begun touring Vegas or something?

So in my tests I play till 4 lines have been closed. We start when the first number/line hits and then if a repeat comes in or a new number then we "jump" to the next level, and we do this until 4 lines have been closed.

Maximum gaps after 270 Sets x 37 spins / 10,000 spins

Level 0 to Level 1: 5
Level 1 to Level 2: 7
Level 2 to Level 3: 9
Level 3 to Level 4: 10
Level 4 to Level 5: 8
Level 5 to Level 6: 6
Level 6 to Level 7: 4
Level 7 to Level 8: 2
Level 8 to Level 9: 1
Level 9 to Level 10: 1

*I think most of the larger gaps occur when there are 5 lines open at once. 7 Sets had all 6 lines open at once.
*The worst session was waiting 10 spins for the 4th line to close without any repeats occurring throughout the set - and sure enough at one time in that set there were 5 lines open (see attached; gap 0 always reports one more than it's meant to BTW due to a glitch with the 1st spin of every set).