Some ideas on table layout betting. (Subject modified)

[atlantis]

Hi nottophammer,

There's definately some merit in playing that way. I am doing well in real play for low stakes using what I think is something like that commercial rouletteCBW method... I couldn't fully understand warrior's way from the various postings...
I don't know if I'm playing exactly like I should be, because I don't have a copy of the pdf download - and like maybe a few others am loathe to purchase a silverthorne product. (I did once - but I also managed to get some free from off of the net too)
Anyhow, +55 units today. Seems to be winning regularly enough for me.

A.

[RouletteGhost]

Atlantis do you play it similar to the video?

If so i practiced online and it worked well

[atlantis]

Atlantis do you play it similar to the video?

If so i practiced online and it worked well

Good to hear, RouletteGhost! Yes I play it quite similar. Of course that video is only a snippet and does not show what may happen in other or all possible scenarios - so we do not have the full picture in its entirety.... Obviously the vendor is not going to provide a full resume of how it works - but the sales pitch blurb quite openly states that it has NEVER LOST! NOT ONCE in all testing!
Those that have access to the full system can maybe fill in the missing pieces or say if we're on the right track. Also those that have it could also frankly state whether they found the claims to be true and possibly update us with all the profits they are making from using it.

Now I'm off to win some more.
A.

[nottophammer]

Atlantis
how often does betting pass 3 d/s

[RouletteGhost]

i have a progression that works

AS LONG AS there are not 6 unique DS in a row

spin 1- play the last double street 1 chip
if lose
spin 2- play last 2 double streets, 1 chip on each
if lose
spin 3- play last 3 double streets, 2 chips on each
if lose
spin 4- play last 4 double streets, 5 chips on each
if lose
spin 5- play last 5 double streets, 10 chips on each
if lose- thats 6 unique double streets. you lose

[Kattila]

i have a progression that works

AS LONG AS there are not 6 unique DS in a row

spin 1- play the last double street 1 chip
if lose
spin 2- play last 2 double streets, 1 chip on each
if lose
spin 3- play last 3 double streets, 2 chips on each
if lose
spin 4- play last 4 double streets, 5 chips on each
if lose


spin 5- play last 5 double streets, 10 chips on each
if lose- thats 6 unique double streets. you lose

This has been tried /tested years ago,  mi two cents is to not risk your money with this because you will lose , 6 DS in row is not a *rare* event. 

[Chris555p]

Totally agreed; Don't forget the old big green.....; These methods are loosers;
have to think out of the box if want to win big ....lol lol

[falkor]

The CBW documentation has one major contradiction: it says you can expect to lose once every 33 games, but then it said that during testing over thousands of sets it never lost once!?

What I can reveal is that the CBW is a much more simplified version of WARRIORS compared to what we have been discussing in previous pages. And, although I haven't tested it yet, it should wipe out the BR quite often since it always attempts to close the 4th DS and I've already highlighted that attempting closure of the 4th DS is often one of the most dangerous moves without proper analysis. CBW understands waves and the "law of the third" through their general roulette advice, but from what I gather there is no attempt to integrate this into their system proper.

[vladir]

The CBW documentation has one major contradiction: it says you can expect to lose once every 33 games, but then it said that during testing over thousands of sets it never lost once!?

What I can reveal is that the CBW is a much more simplified version of WARRIORS compared to what we have been discussing in previous pages. And, although I haven't tested it yet, it should wipe out the BR quite often since it always attempts to close the 4th DS and I've already highlighted that attempting closure of the 4th DS is often one of the most dangerous moves without proper analysis. CBW understands waves and the "law of the third" through their general roulette advice, but from what I gather there is no attempt to integrate this into their system proper.

Thanks. Are you going to ask for a refund?

[Rewster88]

Haha lol, so say it be  3 in 99 as 1 in 33. And if it would be the first 3 sessions you lose, i will not have the balls playing the other 96 anymore  so its still a gamble when your 33 comes.

[RouletteGhost]

It loses when 6 unique DS hit in a row

[falkor]

Here's the latest testing for my variation of WARRIORS with the following rules to enter Watch Mode:

DS 1 closes
Spin # < 8
Open = 3
Wintotal = 0

DS 2 closes
Spin # < 11
Open = 3
Wintotal = 0

DS 3 closes
Spin # < 19
Open > 2
Win or lose no matter

Sets end when DS 5 closes!

[falkor]

These sets need to be examined as I don't think they would keep within the table limits:
2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 (1534)
3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 (301)

So the rules aren't perfect yet, but we are getting there! Sometimes all 5 DSs can close too quickly leaving no options in Watch Mode, so there must be a new trail to follow in that situation, but I haven't figured out what it is yet... either switch to numbers with single appearances or test if a different DS might be due in.

[falkor]

Attached is a snapshot showing all the winning sets with lines through those that enter Watch Mode without a profit.

Considering there isn't much lost for the sets I've highlighted with a strikethrough (red is least minor @ 10-20 units; yellow very minor about 5-10 units max) and considering there are multiple wins per sets - between the lines - shows that the system wins more than it losses!

And even if we have to pause betting during watch mode I'm convinced there are more options available even if we fail to observe any medium-long losing streaks.

[falkor]

Some new rules have been added - and it seems if you get the rules right for DS 1-3 then no rules are needed for DS 4-5; in my latest tests I am closing up to 6 DSs!

To maintain 500 BR:
Betting 3 DSs can tolerate 8 losses
Betting 2 DSs can tolerate 12 losses
Betting 1 DS can tolerate 27 losses

Right now the rules are quite strict and I am left with only 15 problem sets out of 36,000:
0 1 2 3 Win! 2 Win! 1 2 3 Win! 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 Win! DS 3 Watch Mode (set: 3315)
0 1 2 Win! 2 3 1 1 1 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 Win! DS 3 Watch Mode (set: 4147)
0 1 2 3 Win! 2 3 0 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 Win! DS 3 Watch Mode (set: 7678)
0 1 2 3 0 1 1 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 Win! 2 2 2 3 3 3 Win! 2 2 2 2 Win! 2 Win! 2 2 Win! 1 Win! (10256)
0 1 Win! 0 1 2 3 Win! 2 Win! 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 Win! 3 2 3 Win! DS 4 Watch Mode (set: 12552)
0 1 2 Win! 1 2 3 0 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 Win! DS 3 Watch Mode (set: 18978)
0 1 Win! 0 1 1 2 Win! 2 2 Win! 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 3 3 1 2 Win! 3 Win! 3 3 3 Win! 3 3 Win! 2 Win! 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 Win! (20905)
0 1 Win! 0 0 1 1 1 2 3 Win! 3 Win! 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 Win! 2 Win! 2 2 Win! 2 2 Win! 1 1 2 Win! 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 Win! 1 Win! (21499)
0 1 Win! 0 1 2 Win! 2 3 1 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 1 DS 3 Watch Mode (set: 24253)
0 0 1 1 2 3 0 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 Win! 3 3 Win! 2 2 2 2 2 Win! 2 Win! 1 Win! (28162)
0 1 2 Win! 1 1 1 2 3 0 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 Win! DS 3 Watch Mode (set: 28518)
0 1 2 Win! 1 2 Win! 1 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 Win! DS 3 Watch Mode (set: 28872)
0 1 2 3 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 Win! 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 Win! 2 2 Win! 2 2 2 2 2 Win! 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 Win! (29812)
0 1 Win! 0 0 1 2 2 3 3 Win! 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 Win! 1 1 1 1 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 Win! 2 2 Win! 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 Win! (34857)
0 1 2 3 Win! 2 Win! 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 0 3 3 Win! DS 4 Watch Mode (set: 36307)

Those will be eliminated next test and then set will be ended at Watch Mode so that twice those number of sets can be tested. I may need to go back and relax the rules for DS 4.