Should warrior's topic be locked/deleted or moved to Humour section?

[falkor]

Is iggiv right with his premise - should action be taken with this topic?

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14976.360

[vladir]

I voted for remain open. But I still think the threads title is missleading and that could be changed. RX is a programming tool and no programmer will program a system wich does not yet have well defined rules and conditions.

[SamNL]

I have also voted for the topic to remain open.

[Still]

Is iggiv right with his premise - should action be taken with this topic?

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14976.360

Hi falkor,

  I'm writing this because i have a lot of respect for the work you've done putting together a lot of data. We need this kind of data.  I wish more people would be that thorough.  But in the past few hours i have decided it would be better in the humor section.  There are just too many red flags flying around and i feel as though warrior has managed to get people like you to do a lot of heavy lifting that he is unable to do; after all, he still works with pen and paper. And the reason i think he is getting people like you to do heavy lifting is because he does not actually know what works.  Before making this decision i have researched warriors posting history from the earliest to the latest.  As recently as October he has stated three times that no roulette system wins.  He said this system is sort of like Hermes 6x6, so i read that entire thread that he started in this forum. As far as i can tell, Warrior is still trying to figure out a way to make that (or variations of that) work, and needs more people to test more bets selections and more money management schemes.  I believe that after years of research, Warrior is frustrated and is ready to say good-bye, but before he goes, would like to see how much free research he can pull, sourcing the crowd to devote it's thinking powers to the one last idea that he (Warrior) believes will actually work, but of which he is not sure.  To motivate the crowd he has bluffed, and it appears iggiv has called his bluff.   

I could help settle this by meeting Warrior in one of the three casinos that are 25 minutes from his house in lower British Columbia. I live just across the border, probably not more than an hour drive away (I'm 1.5 hours from Vancouver, BC).  I would be happy to watch him lay money on the table and report back to this forum what numbers came up, what he bet, when he bet, and what the results were. 

In 25 pages, we have only one or two win-loss registries from him. That really contradicts the claim that he is actually teaching something.  We also found out he has three different ways of laying bets on the table, only one of which we have even an ounce of information about, and what we know about it it does not match the way he recommended others to start betting on this idea.  He has said that several methods could work, if folks could just understand the original concept, the law of thirds, and how that works out in 37 spins.  But instead of explaining it clearly, he has used riddles.   So, in regards the most important aspect of this thread, the idea...instead we have riddles.  We have riddles and selective silence.  I got into this thread with a list of questions, all of which were ignored, even though his first post says all questions welcome. 

There was another warrior who used riddles.  His name was Sampson, an Israeli warrior of biblical lore.  Well, Sampson didn't really know much except how to start a war, and it all began with riddles.  In their effort to solve his riddles, the Palestinians resorted to espionage and things went from bad to worse.  We are supposed to think Sampson was a hero, but as far as i can tell, his stupid riddles were the beginnings of a 20 years war between Israel and the Palestinians.

Sampson's riddle?  "From the eater, something to eat".  Kind of reminds me of "bring the end to the beginning", or "wear the underwear backwards".  By the way, Sampson was bluffing.  He did not have the 12 sets of clothes he bet that no one could solve the riddle.  So when they solved the riddle, he killed 12 Palestinians and stole their clothes to pay the bet.   Things went downhill from there, since no one in those days had much of a sense of humor. 

If Warrior has something, he needs to come clean soon with more than just riddles.  Win-Loss registry examples would be a good start, to demonstrate how HE has decided to bet on his idea involving the law of thirds...so that WE can better understand the actual idea.  THEN, maybe we can come up with our own variation, if we think it can be done better. 

Dear falkor, i recommend that you use your considerable coding skills to gather data only on the three methods of betting that Warrior says he uses.  THEN, if it seems promising, i'm sure your data will find even better ways, IF there are better ways.  It's time you got paid for your work with more than just "ata boy, keep working, you'll get it". 

Here are Warrior's own words from early in his posting history:

"no dis respect  but if some one wants to protect a method why post it in the first place just keep it to your self,second by posting half of a method is misleading and not good for new members that don't know anything about roulette, this is only a way to start arguments as aposed to debaiting roulette and asking question to learn more anyways.

Take care
warrior. "

Still

[nottophammer]

Hi falkor,

  I'm writing this because i have a lot of respect for the work you've done putting together a lot of data. We need this kind of data.  I wish more people would be that thorough.  But in the past few hours i have decided it would be better in the humor section.  There are just too many red flags flying around and i feel as though warrior has managed to get people like you to do a lot of heavy lifting that he is unable to do; after all, he still works with pen and paper. And the reason i think he is getting people like you to do heavy lifting is because he does not actually know what works.  Before making this decision i have researched warriors posting history from the earliest to the latest.  As recently as October he has stated three times that no roulette system wins.  He said this system is sort of like Hermes 6x6, so i read that entire thread that he started in this forum. As far as i can tell, Warrior is still trying to figure out a way to make that (or variations of that) work, and needs more people to test more bets selections and more money management schemes.  I believe that after years of research, Warrior is frustrated and is ready to say good-bye, but before he goes, would like to see how much free research he can pull, sourcing the crowd to devote it's thinking powers to the one last idea that he (Warrior) believes will actually work, but of which he is not sure.  To motivate the crowd he has bluffed, and it appears iggiv has called his bluff.   

I could help settle this by meeting Warrior in one of the three casinos that are 25 minutes from his house in lower British Columbia. I live just across the border, probably not more than an hour drive away (I'm 1.5 hours from Vancouver, BC).  I would be happy to watch him lay money on the table and report back to this forum what numbers came up, what he bet, when he bet, and what the results were. 

In 25 pages, we have only one or two win-loss registries from him. That really contradicts the claim that he is actually teaching something.  We also found out he has three different ways of laying bets on the table, only one of which we have even an ounce of information about, and what we know about it it does not match the way he recommended others to start betting on this idea.  He has said that several methods could work, if folks could just understand the original concept, the law of thirds, and how that works out in 37 spins.  But instead of explaining it clearly, he has used riddles.   So, in regards the most important aspect of this thread, the idea...instead we have riddles.  We have riddles and selective silence.  I got into this thread with a list of questions, all of which were ignored, even though his first post says all questions welcome. 

There was another warrior who used riddles.  His name was Sampson, an Israeli warrior of biblical lore.  Well, Sampson didn't really know much except how to start a war, and it all began with riddles.  In their effort to solve his riddles, the Palestinians resorted to espionage and things went from bad to worse.  We are supposed to think Sampson was a hero, but as far as i can tell, his stupid riddles were the beginnings of a 20 years war between Israel and the Palestinians.

Sampson's riddle?  "From the eater, something to eat".  Kind of reminds me of "bring the end to the beginning", or "wear the underwear backwards".  By the way, Sampson was bluffing.  He did not have the 12 sets of clothes he bet that no one could solve the riddle.  So when they solved the riddle, he killed 12 Palestinians and stole their clothes to pay the bet.   Things went downhill from there, since no one in those days had much of a sense of humor. 

If Warrior has something, he needs to come clean soon with more than just riddles.  Win-Loss registry examples would be a good start, to demonstrate how HE has decided to bet on his idea involving the law of thirds...so that WE can better understand the actual idea.  THEN, maybe we can come up with our own variation, if we think it can be done better. 

Dear falkor, i recommend that you use your considerable coding skills to gather data only on the three methods of betting that Warrior says he uses.  THEN, if it seems promising, i'm sure your data will find even better ways, IF there are better ways.  It's time you got paid for your work with more than just "ata boy, keep working, you'll get it".   

Still

Think that sums it up, nicely put Still.

[Still]

Think that sums it up, nicely put Still.

Thanks,

I edited the post above to include some of Warrior's own words from early in his posting history:

"no dis respect  but if some one wants to protect a method why post it in the first place just keep it to your self,second by posting half of a method is misleading and not good for new members that don't know anything about roulette, this is only a way to start arguments as aposed to debaiting roulette and asking question to learn more anyways.

Take care
warrior. "

[nottophammer]

Voted other
perhaps Notepad

[falkor]

You could be partially right. Perhaps warrior doesn't know the optimum way of playing and is interested in finding out more about his idea that is making him consistent profits through the 2nd, 3rd or 4th best way of playing it. Besides riddles, a more plausible perspective I can sense is that warrior is a very intelligent man and wants to share his ideas, but rather than spoon-feed the lazy, he wants people to think for themselves and share the glory, i.e. you will appreciate this system more if you independently come to the same conclusions as he did. He doesn't want to just target the money-orientated who couldn't care less about strategy/maths or how the system works (they just want money), but he wants you to reach a similar wavelength and understanding as him, if that makes sense; the enthusiasm and glory cannot be shared if everyone is spoonfed, spoilt, and doesn't get to use their brain in the process. Likewise, the New Testament is a collection of 60+ riddles to inform only the intelligent and open-minded of it's real agenda.   

Summary: how to make people appreciate things without spoiling them!

[Proofreaders2000]

You guys are playing with fire being sacrilegious.  FYI

Perhaps if a new thread is made with just the system and
another thread for the opinions maybe that will solve the problem?

[Turner]

Perhaps if a new thread is made with just the system and
another thread for the opinions maybe that will solve the problem?

Agreed. Just upsets those who are religious.Its the wrong post.

[RouletteGhost]

My opinion of it is this, and some will disagree but I am entitled to my opinion:

On this type of forum the premise is to share ideas and strategies and exchange ideas to make them better.

I don't agree with "well i it researched for years so ill drop hints and see if you can figure it out yourself because I won't share my idea."

We're supposed to be here to help one another so if that is your mode of thinking then the forum is not the place for you?

If you have a nice strategy or bet selection then share it in full OR simply do not start a thread about it or drop hints to string people along for days, that is very annoying.

If I found an infallible way to bet I'd post it immediately.

[ddarko]

If I found an infallible way to bet I'd post it immediately.

Why on earth would you do that ?

A high percentage of members here are low lifes, that want a HG with ZERO effort from themselves, &
your going to give it to them on a plate ?

@Still

Great work finding that old quote , following breadcrumbs is a common boring trait of many a gambling forum....


@ falkor

You are not a member of the God Squad, fine, you have that right, that's up to you. But why shove it down the throats
of people at a gambling forum ?
They are either going to have little interest or your just going to upset them, I don't get it.

Finally, I voted locked. Falkor's extensive data belongs on another thread IMHO, & as I said before, breadcrumbs in a forest
gets VERY tying VERY quickly. Although I doubt Warrior was/is ever looking for money.

Iggiv did the right think as normal, and got panned for it as normal 

[iggiv]

I said i will do it if it if there is no serious testing of real method will be. If there is something concrete with concrete rules and concrete testing of them why should i remove or lock it. Also if many people enjoy it i don't mind the thread to continue. But if no serious testing will be done i will move it into general discussion section. So far there was NOTHING about concrete testing of any concrete method with concrete rules. Falkor posted some numbers using large fonts, and was telling how great it was and discussing how this "method" should be called. As for me it doesn't matter how you call it. What matters for me it is to clarify it to the people. Publish clear rules how what and when you test. So far it hasn't been done. So till then it looks like a joke to draw people attention.

[iggiv]

Guys i am not here to show that "i am authority" like Warrior says. I don't give a damn about "authority" and i don't have one here. I just help keep the forum in order and keep it clean from some spam and scam masters. When i interfered here i had some reasons to believe that a big scam is gonna be cooked again like a few years ago by the same person. Other than that i don't care. Discuss and test any methods. Who cares. Just don't use other people's attention, nerves, energy and money for your own fun.

[warrior]

Hi falkor,

  I'm writing this because i have a lot of respect for the work you've done putting together a lot of data. We need this kind of data.  I wish more people would be that thorough.  But in the past few hours i have decided it would be better in the humor section.  There are just too many red flags flying around and i feel as though warrior has managed to get people like you to do a lot of heavy lifting that he is unable to do; after all, he still works with pen and paper. And the reason i think he is getting people like you to do heavy lifting is because he does not actually know what works.  Before making this decision i have researched warriors posting history from the earliest to the latest.  As recently as October he has stated three times that no roulette system wins.  He said this system is sort of like Hermes 6x6, so i read that entire thread that he started in this forum. As far as i can tell, Warrior is still trying to figure out a way to make that (or variations of that) work, and needs more people to test more bets selections and more money management schemes.  I believe that after years of research, Warrior is frustrated and is ready to say good-bye, but before he goes, would like to see how much free research he can pull, sourcing the crowd to devote it's thinking powers to the one last idea that he (Warrior) believes will actually work, but of which he is not sure.  To motivate the crowd he has bluffed, and it appears iggiv has called his bluff.   

I could help settle this by meeting Warrior in one of the three casinos that are 25 minutes from his house in lower British Columbia. I live just across the border, probably not more than an hour drive away (I'm 1.5 hours from Vancouver, BC).  I would be happy to watch him lay money on the table and report back to this forum what numbers came up, what he bet, when he bet, and what the results were. 

In 25 pages, we have only one or two win-loss registries from him. That really contradicts the claim that he is actually teaching something.  We also found out he has three different ways of laying bets on the table, only one of which we have even an ounce of information about, and what we know about it it does not match the way he recommended others to start betting on this idea.  He has said that several methods could work, if folks could just understand the original concept, the law of thirds, and how that works out in 37 spins.  But instead of explaining it clearly, he has used riddles.   So, in regards the most important aspect of this thread, the idea...instead we have riddles.  We have riddles and selective silence.  I got into this thread with a list of questions, all of which were ignored, even though his first post says all questions welcome. 

There was another warrior who used riddles.  His name was Sampson, an Israeli warrior of biblical lore.  Well, Sampson didn't really know much except how to start a war, and it all began with riddles.  In their effort to solve his riddles, the Palestinians resorted to espionage and things went from bad to worse.  We are supposed to think Sampson was a hero, but as far as i can tell, his stupid riddles were the beginnings of a 20 years war between Israel and the Palestinians.

Sampson's riddle?  "From the eater, something to eat".  Kind of reminds me of "bring the end to the beginning", or "wear the underwear backwards".  By the way, Sampson was bluffing.  He did not have the 12 sets of clothes he bet that no one could solve the riddle.  So when they solved the riddle, he killed 12 Palestinians and stole their clothes to pay the bet.   Things went downhill from there, since no one in those days had much of a sense of humor. 

If Warrior has something, he needs to come clean soon with more than just riddles.  Win-Loss registry examples would be a good start, to demonstrate how HE has decided to bet on his idea involving the law of thirds...so that WE can better understand the actual idea.  THEN, maybe we can come up with our own variation, if we think it can be done better. 

Dear falkor, i recommend that you use your considerable coding skills to gather data only on the three methods of betting that Warrior says he uses.  THEN, if it seems promising, i'm sure your data will find even better ways, IF there are better ways.  It's time you got paid for your work with more than just "ata boy, keep working, you'll get it". 

Here are Warrior's own words from early in his posting history:

"no dis respect  but if some one wants to protect a method why post it in the first place just keep it to your self,second by posting half of a method is misleading and not good for new members that don't know anything about roulette, this is only a way to start arguments as aposed to debaiting roulette and asking question to learn more anyways.

Take care
warrior. "

Still

I will challenge you to anything you want ,as far as your part in this forum you haven't contributed to anything of value only your opinion on everyone else's ideas .why don't you use your brain and think a little ,you might be book smart but you ain't street smart that I can see from all your 17 pages on this forum.

And to your comment on what I said I don't lead anyone on there are people that don't even know how many numbers are on roulette ,so why should I release something I've been working for the last 10 years . Why don't you brain and try to come up with something good.hope you read this before the authority's delete this.