Roulette physics. JAA Cross Referencing...

[RouletteGhost]

Want to see if anyone uses this?

can it be used with roulette evolution air ball types of roulette?

I see that you input the past 50 spins then it tells you what to bet on that particular wheel?

Steve should be of help, he promotes the site. I cannot afford 2,500 but im looking into it

Thanks

[RouletteGhost]

from site:

"The system works the same on automated wheels where the ball is automatically released, and at live online casinos where a real wheel is used. There are approximately 20 suitable online casinos.

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does anyone use JAA??

[iggiv]

register for a free course there if you didn't yet. some info he gives for free. You will get it in your email

[RouletteGhost]

cool thanks

[Steve]

Players are bound to non disclosure agreements so none are likely to respond.  Although there are many members here who have access,  but almost all are not active posters here anymore.

I can answer any questions you like but it's best in private. Most members don't want to hear about anything for sale,  my forum or not. Can still answer any question here if you prefer.  I've always welcomed public scrutiny. Theres nothing to hide.

[RouletteGhost]

ok steve

i figured that much since the forum over there is private

any other posts on topic ill send in PM to u

[ego]

RouletteGhost

The core about physics is to find wheels with bias/tilt.
It is the core to get advantage.

Today it does not exist 1 pin games - that means that only one deflector hit 7 times out of 10.
It is more complex today and your expectation at best would be a 2 pin game.
Most of times you will face 3 pin games.

All this we can explain on open forum - even at this topic.
Because i have every existing visual ballistic method you can buy for money and i don't want you to make the same misstakes i did.

This means i don't think it is ok to take 400 Euro to tell some one how to estimate the ball and how degree of tilt is working.
And does who selling this can not copyright there material as i am free to discuss my knowledge where ever i like with my own words.

Mastersroulette is one site that is selling a visual ballistic method for around 400 Euro.
The bad thing about the method is the way how they teach how to estimate ball deceleration - it exist much better methods and are posted at open forums.
The good thing is the way they describe using multi drop zone - playing games where you have 2 or 3 dominant deflectors hitting.
They describe the methodology very clear and good.

Same with Jafco that offer hes complete package for around 400 Euro but does not show any good way to estimate the ball speed.
That is the bad part
The good part is that Jafco also have a solution for games using more then 1 pin game - he describe a method for multi drop zone - games where you have 2 or 3 deflectors hitting.
But is not same methodology as Mastersroulette.

This is the difference.

Mastersroulette and Pierre Basieux mention same method that is based upon scatter overlaps where ball jumps donate towards same high probability area.
Jafco method is about rotor positions that create same possibilitys to strike same area - is more complex then what i mention here.

So you have two method that you can buy online for around 400 Euro - no one of the methods show a good way to estimate the ball.
But explain how to beat 2 and 3 pin games.
That is the core.

Laurance Scott volume 2 is a great buy as it give you a simulation software where you can simulate your games and see how your edge manifest.
He also mention multi drop game at page 9 - but not with so much detail as the other two i mention above.

Ask questions and i will help you to understand physics and you don't need to visit any secret forum.

[Steve]

Ego, do you really think I couldnt possibly have something a lot better than vb? vb is mostly a waste of time. I have all the material you mentioned and more. For vb to do what it needs on modern wheels, it gets unreasonably difficult and realistically only roulette computers can do that. Most computers dont though, they are just digital vb.  None of the systems you mentioned do it either.

And I dont mean the traditional algorithm like explained in laurences book. Even laurence said that algorithm, used by 90% of computers, isnt good enough today. He agreed that my approach is more appropriate when we discussed each of our computers

Traditional vb considers the variables to be static. And when one thing changes, everything else changes and you end avoiding winning sectors instead of hitting them. Some vb tries to keep up but is always a step behind. Modern wheels are much more sensitive to variations, so the adaptations must be more precise.

My jaa system, the uber and hybrid computers all use a dynamic model, so when one thing changes, the predictive algorithms adjust. Ive never known any computer or other system to do the same thing. My basic and lite computers use the traditional algorithms.

With the exception of the basic and lite computers, Not even the players know how it works because they dont have the source codes. Players beat '1 pin' with comparable edge as 2 or 3 pin. Scatter is most important, not dominant diamonds. For example, if the hybrid computer had a 120% edge on a 1 pin wheel, you could expect about an 80% edge on a 3 pin wheel, unless you targeted to 1 diamond then it could still get 120%. You cannot target diamonds with the traditional algorithm, its impossible unless you get predictions in last revolution.

These kind of results above are typical. With jaa, the difference will be from 15% to about 8%.

Unless the method is dynamic, you cant achieve these results unless you test only a few spins, before significant changes, but then the data is too limited for accurate statistical relevance. I understand you know more than average players but theres a lot more you dont know.

The wheels patterns and parameters are a moving target. The best way to explain jaa is it is a dynamic model to adjust predictions when variables change. Or consideration of variables amd other variables, and how they affect each other. Earlier versions looked at 9 types of patterns, but now they are more integrated into fewer algorithms as the relationship between each is better modelled.

[Limp15]

Hey Steve. Have a question. I'm from Ireland and most of our casinos use automated roulette where there is no dealer. The ball spins itself but the wheel and dynamics are real. Can these wheels be exploited. Once the ball starts spinning no more bets are allowed so that would rule out your computers. Any advice please sick of losing on roulette. Cheers.

[Steve]

You cant use computers on such a wheel. And for using systems, you need to assess whether or not the wheel is applying countermeasures like different balls. You can still beat many of them, but they are a bit trickier. But then again, some models are significantly easier to beat than live dealer wheels.

[Firefox]

I have a question. Nowhere is the basis of the JAA system explained. There is one diagram in the FAQ which looks at low points in the rotor when the wheel may be tilted and thus likely settling zones for balls.

The only explanation given for the system is send in spins ac and cw with ball come off and resting positions and the "software" will tell you if the wheel is viable to play. It will then tell you what numbers to bet.

As the prediction is made before ball release it must be trying to exploit some kind of bias in the rotor or maybe rotor and stator combined. However modern rotors are very accurately made. The one I have is a solid machined block of aluminium made to very fine tolerances. It's a work of art.

I can see nothing is perfect, but I doubt imperfections could give an edge of more than fractions of 1%. Not enough to overcome the house edge of several %.

So how does the JAA system exploit the wheels and if it is based on a physical bias, how is it better than collecting data as to what numbers occur most on different direction spins and betting on those.

[Steve]

It has nothing to do with bias, although one version still uses it if present. It is an analysis method rather than a system. It considers known variables and data about past spins, and uses cross referencing to build a predictive model for new spins as variables and conditions change.

The analysis determines if statistical anomalies are relevant for an edge. But as conditions change, a static model would make it look like patterns changed when they havent. But the model is dynamic so models and predicts with changes.

You cant beat all wheels of course. Conditions need to be right. The closest typical technique is dealer signature but its a few steps past that.

Thats about all im willing to disclose.

[Steve]

In about 98% of cases, bias is not a consideration. We would only bother if there were signs from observation. Wheel defects are not required.

[Firefox]

Although, if statistical anomaly is present, that would surely be reflected in some numbers  winning more frequently than others for various spin directions. A fact which could be exploited simply by examining the data and seeing how many  SDs outside expected certain results were for the available number of spins. And we could make that dynamic by continuing to collect data as we played.

Although I can see the advantage of having that done for you, as it would be a long grind manually. You'd still have to collect the data either way though.

[Firefox]

Also, is it possible to explain what you mean by cross referencing.

If for example 15 wins more than an expected number of times outside cetain limits then that may be an example of bias. But if 15  wins a normal number of times, but is preceded by a win of 24 an abnormal number of times for a  certain spin direction, then that may be an example of something else.