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thelaw · Jan 15, 09:22 PM 2015

Quote from: psimoes on Jan 15, 09:08 PM 2015
Sorry, must have some irrational thing against the Labby. Can't comment on that.

About that RRRR - bet for Black etc, then there comes the irritating bit that says for example BBBR have the same probability, so we'd bet Red (against the first Black). Then, the resulting four spins are now BBRR (if we won by betting for Red. If we lost it would turn BBRB instead). So these last four also have the same probabilities, so we bet Red against that first Black and so on. This way we can bet spin after spin. And then we realize we're in fact betting for Different Than the Fourth Last Outcome and will also realize there will be clusters of wins and clusters of losses. These would happen if we were betting for simpler runs such as BBBB RRRR OOOO EEEE etc, as well, only it would take so much time to wait for them to appear that we would in reality be betting for like just four or five times per session before leaving; after some 160 spins had passed. Longer runs such as RRRRRRRRRRRR or HHHHHHHHHHHH are rarer. Since it would take an eternity to wait for several of them before betting, and knowing that RRRBRBBBRRBBR has the same probability, why not betting continuously, spin by spin? Reminds of something? LOL

After studying the created vs natural patterns, I've found them to be virtually identical when it comes to betting opportunities.

At this point, after reading thousands of posts on forums, I think that a winning system is actually (as you mentioned) an amalgamation of several methods or bets over an extended period of time. Winning by attrition. Although, I have to admit, the idea of a slow progression is always attractive.

Thanks for all of your hard work on these ideas-much appreciated!

Just my $.02

psimoes · Jan 15, 09:26 PM 2015

No problem! You're welcome to comment any time. Cheers.

thelaw · Jan 15, 09:27 PM 2015

Quote from: psimoes on Jan 15, 09:16 PM 2015
Ya, figured. Don't know why, though.

Just a quick note: There may be a secret in the large Labby (200+). After studying it, I found it to be very robust in trials (it beat nearly every sequence of ec), but tedious

Proofreaders2000 · Jan 15, 09:32 PM 2015

Good discussion Psimoes :d

You could add a 'determinant' to you EC bet.

Example: You're betting Red/Black

If it is a Even number stay with
the same color, if Odd change to Black.

(two more cents)

ddarko · Jan 15, 09:44 PM 2015

how about betting TWO EC's

?

denzie · Jan 16, 01:08 AM 2015

The barracudo not works here ?

Rewster88 · Jan 16, 04:06 AM 2015

Law,

by large labby you mean 200 flat bets and see result after it? if in negative +1 and positive -1 after every set?

R

psimoes · Jan 16, 07:20 AM 2015

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 15, 09:32 PM 2015
Good discussion Psimoes :d

You could add a 'determinant' to you EC bet.

Example: You're betting Red/Black

If it is a Even number stay with
the same color, if Odd change to Black.

(two more cents)

Quote from: ddarko on Jan 15, 09:44 PM 2015
how about betting TWO EC's ?

How about using the same principle to create a system for inside bets?

Last four outcomes:

7 (RLO)
8 (BLE)
21 (RHO)
31 (BHE)

Bet all single numbers different than RLO (20, 22, 24, 26, 28)
Bet all single numbers different than BLE (19, 21, 23, 25, 27)
Bet all single numbers different than RHO (2, 4, 6, 8, 10)
Bet all single numbers different than BHE (1, 3, 5, 7, 9)

Something like that.

psimoes · Jan 16, 08:17 AM 2015

Quote from: thelaw on Jan 15, 09:22 PM 2015
After studying the created vs natural patterns, I've found them to be virtually identical when it comes to betting opportunities.

Which means you could chart all 16 different patterns, note when each one appears and bet accordingly.

Say last outcomes were R B R R R B R B R .

1st is RBRR - Write it down.
2nd is BRRR - Do the same.
3rd RRRB
4th RRBR
5th RBRB . RBR started as on 1st. Ended differently.
6th BRBR
7th RBR - Here one still to appear. 1st already started with RBR and ended with R; 5th already started with RBR and ended with B. If we apply the hotters vs. sleepers we'll bet for the continuity of 5th, since 1st is sleeping. We'll bet the next outcome is B.
Next spin: R. !"#$ Lost. 7th is completed - RBRR. Same as 1st. Write it down. RBRR is hot.
8th BRR -2nd already started with BRR, ended with an R. Now what? 1st and 5th were different, so we'll bet 8th is different than 2nd. We'll bet B.
Next spin: B WIN! 8th is completed - BRRB.
9th RRB - Same as 4th started. There's none identical pattern yet, so now what? Either we don't bet and write the decision down for future referencing, or we gamble a bit. If we bet R and win, that'll be a repeat of 4th. If we bet B and win, that'll be another unique pattern. Also, 10th starting with RBR would be hot, like 7th, 5th and 1st already. So we'll bet R.
Next spin: R. WIN! 9th is completed - RRBR. Same as 4th. RRBR is hot.

Something like that.

thelaw · Jan 16, 08:43 AM 2015

Quote from: Rewster88 on Jan 16, 04:06 AM 2015
Law,

by large labby you mean 200 flat bets and see result after it? if in negative +1 and positive -1 after every set?

R

I was just referring to a standard Labby with 200 lines (reset after each new high). The difference would be risk vs reward with the standard Labby gaining 1 unit per spin

thelaw · Jan 16, 08:50 AM 2015

Quote from: psimoes on Jan 16, 08:17 AM 2015
Which means you could chart all 16 different patterns, note when each one appears and bet accordingly.

Say last outcomes were R B R R R B R B R .

1st is RBRR - Write it down.
2nd is BRRR - Do the same.
3rd RRRB
4th RRBR
5th RBRB . RBR started as on 1st. Ended differently.
6th BRBR
7th RBR - Here one still to appear. 1st already started with RBR and ended with R; 5th already started with RBR and ended with B. If we apply the hotters vs. sleepers we'll bet for the continuity of 5th, since 1st is sleeping. We'll bet the next outcome is B.
Next spin: R. !"#$ Lost. 7th is completed - RBRR. Same as 1st. Write it down. RBRR is hot.
8th BRR -2nd already started with BRR, ended with an R. Now what? 1st and 5th were different, so we'll bet 8th is different than 2nd. We'll bet B.
Next spin: B WIN! 8th is completed - BRRB.
9th RRB - Same as 4th started. There's none identical pattern yet, so now what? Either we don't bet and write the decision down for future referencing, or we gamble a bit. If we bet R and win, that'll be a repeat of 4th. If we bet B and win, that'll be another unique pattern. Also, 10th starting with RBR would be hot, like 7th, 5th and 1st already. So we'll bet R.
Next spin: R. WIN! 9th is completed - RRBR. Same as 4th. RRBR is hot.

Something like that.

I was just thinking list each pattern (natural and artificial), and then flat bet after a run of 4 against the 5th. Slow progression over time if necessary. Just my $.02

psimoes · Jan 16, 09:09 AM 2015

One thing comes to mind: it's easier to bet RRRR will not continue, than some other run like BRBB. We pick the first decision of the BRBB because we don't know what a fifth decision would be, in case BRBB would continue.

We could only chart the symmetrical runs RRRR, BBBB, RRBB, BBRR, BRBR and RBRB, as those are easier to bet against.

For RRRR the next logical step is R. To bet against it we bet B.

For BBBB -> B. Bet R

For RRBB -> R. Bet B

For BBRR -B. Bet R

For BRBR -> B. Bet R

For RBRB -> R. Bet B

I'm making this up as I write along. A concept of hot runs seems interesting.

We could also chart for runs of three, as they're only 8.

We could chart for dozens/columns.

There can only be 27 runs of three dozens (3^3).
For runs of two dozens there are only 9 possible outcomes (3^2).

1 1
2 2
3 3
1 2
1 3
2 1
2 3
3 1
3 2

I'm going to test some permanences to see how dozens behave.

psimoes · Jan 16, 10:13 AM 2015

Here. Looks like a good bet for double dozens. L4 only once during 134 spins.

10 1
31 3 13 Next time 1 hits, bet 2+1
10 1 31 Next time 3 hits, bet 2+3
23 2 12 W Next time 1 hits, bet 3+1
27 3 23 Next time 2 hits, bet 1+2
23 2 32 W Next time 3 hits, bet 1+3
28 3 23 L     Next time 2 hits, bet 1+2
11 1 31 W
34 3 13 W
6 1 31 L
8 1 11 W
3 1 11 L
25 3 13 W
18 2 32 W
21 2 22 W
0 0 0 L
19 2 22 L
5 1 21 W
24 2 12 W
29 3 23 W
30 3 33 W
13 2 32 W
10 1 21 W
10 1 11 W
11 1 11 L
33 3 13 W
16 2 32 W
33 3 23 W
7 1 31 W
2 1 11 W
15 2 12 W
7 1 21 W
30 3 13 W
29 3 33 W
35 3 33 L
7 1 31 W
20 2 12 W
11 1 21 L
25 3 13 W
36 3 33 W
20 2 32 W
35 3 23 W
19 2 32 L
6 1 21 W
20 2 12 W
36 3 23 W
16 2 32 L
26 3 23 L
19 2 32 L
16 2 22 W
36 3 23 W
30 3 33 W
1 1 31 W
2 1 11 W
33 3 13 W
23 2 32 W
32 3 23 L
29 3 33 W
31 3 33 L
6 1 31 W
1 1 11 W
16 2 12 W
20 2 22 W
32 3 23 W
20 2 32 W
2 1 21 W
17 2 12 L
15 2 22 W
10 1 21 W
10 1 11 W
11 1 11 L
29 3 13 W
16 2 32 L
35 3 23 W
27 3 33 W
35 3 33 L
17 2 32 W
7 1 21 W
32 3 13 L
4 1 31 W
32 3 13 L
15 2 32 W
12 1 21 L
22 2 12 W
8 1 21 L
4 1 11 W
2 1 11 L
14 2 12 W
28 3 23 W
33 3 33 W
8 1 31 W
20 2 12 L
24 2 22 W
33 3 23 W
1 1 31 L
36 3 13 W
14 2 32 W
22 2 22 W
19 2 22 L
13 2 22 L
21 2 22 L
36 3 23 W
17 2 32 L
35 3 23 L
26 3 33 W
7 1 31 W
14 2 12 W
8 1 21 W
13 2 12 L
3 1 21 L
33 3 13 W
0 0 0 L
7 1 31 L
17 2 12 W
6 1 21 L
26 3 13 W
27 3 33 W
28 3 33 L
12 1 31 W
36 3 13 L
16 2 32 W
29 3 23 W
21 2 32 L
19 2 22 W
13 2 22 L
17 2 22 L
18 2 22 L
16 2 22 L
34 3 23 W
23 2 32 L
4 1 21 W
11 1 11 W
0 0 0     L

psimoes · Jan 16, 12:30 PM 2015

Here is my try at runs of 3 ECs.

There are eight possible outcomes:

OOO(O)
EEE(E)
OOE(E)
EEO(O)
OEO(E)
EOE(O)
OEE(O)
EOO(E)

Between brackets are their logical followers. The non-symmetrical ones OEE and EOO get a mirror-image (OE gets followed by EO and EO followed by OE).

We track last three outcomes and after that we bet and track continuously. Zeros are ignored. We bet for the pattern to brake. As example, when last three were OEO, we bet O on the next spin against (E) to brake the run.

Lots of Wins in a row there. Didn't do any progression yet. Probably an Up-As-You-Win-Down-As-You-Lose would do great.

ddarko · Jan 16, 12:54 PM 2015

Quote from: psimoes on Jan 16, 12:30 PM 2015
Here is my try at runs of 3 ECs.

There are eight possible outcomes:

OOO(O)
EEE(E)
OOE(E)
EEO(O)
OEO(E)
EOE(O)
OEE(O)
EOO(E)

Between brackets are their logical followers. The non-symmetrical ones OEE and EOO get a mirror-image (OE gets followed by EO and EO followed by OE).

We track last three outcomes and after that we bet and track continuously. Zeros are ignored. We bet for the pattern to brake. As example, when last three were OEO, we bet O on the next spin against (E) to brake the run.

Lots of Wins in a row there. Didn't do any progression yet. Probably an Up-As-You-Win-Down-As-You-Lose would do great.

How about looking for the pattern to change (brake) OR run ?

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