The random trot vs the designated trot.

[TwoCatSam]

YET ANOTHER TWOCAT DIATRIBE........

Is it safe to say that no one has ever seen the numbers fall from 0 to 36?  Do you suppose it has ever happened?

Let us call that a designated trot; one where the numbers MUST come a certain way.  Would make no difference if they were designated to come from 36 back down to 0.

Now let's say we spin the wheel 37 times and record the numbers as they fall randomly.  This is a random trot.  Now if you asked the wheel to reproduce this trot, it would be designated.  The wheel "virtually" could NOT do it. 

Let's look at it through streets.  1-12.  Imagine the same scenario.

Now lanes or double streets.

Now dozens or columns.

THE BIG PREGUNTA:  Does the same logic apply to dozens or columns as it does to individual numbers?

Is there a "difficulty factor" that comes into play?

Comments, please.

Sam

[Turner]

Sam
Of course doz/col won't repeat a trot easily of say 12 spins but it's cadence is only 3 not 37 . The problem is how you say it won't repeat....and that's betting double dozens...which is a disaster of unforgiving proportions.

[ati]

So you would bet against one dozen, and follow the pattern of the previous 37 spins? I say it wouldn't work, because there is only 3 possible outcomes plus zero. You would certainly not see the exact same pattern, but with only three outcomes there could be many shorter patterns that would happen exactly when it did in the previous 37, and to be profitable playing two dozens, you need to win at least 66% of the bets if I'm not mistaken.

[TwoCatSam]

OK

[Proofreaders2000]

The difficulty imo would come in trying to win with betting more than
three numbers.  Maybe streets would work.  Perhaps a single number bet
betting #1, #2, #3...

[Azim]

Sam,

You have the right idea. I have noticed something simillar. May be I think it's simillar.

I have been keeping track of number's from an auto wheel at the local casino here.

Let me put this out as in spins and numbers.

29,  6,  4,  11,   24,  10,  21,  9,  20,  6, 23, 26.

Now look at the wheel and look at the number's that have showed up.  The pattern I have noticed is this in short.  6 repeats. Now when Last time 6 showed  up it was followed by 4. How ever this time it was followed by 23. 23's neighbor is 4.  I have noticed that a lot.

I even sometimes going back to about 200 -250 recorded spins. Get the 3 or 4 numbers  in the exact same order.

The idea behind all this is, you can camp out for 250 to 300 spins and track till you get the number's hitting on the nose as repeats to follow the next number or you can bet the neighbors and make it an early night.

I hope this made sense and was what you were wanted to know.

[TwoCatSam]

OK, I'll muddle on all that...........

Let me ask another question about the odds during a random vs designated trot.  (This may/may not go somewhere.  If it does, I'll share.)

Suppose you're betting on dozen 1 and 2 every bet.  Here is my math and it may be wrong:

You're chances of loosing once are 33.33%
twice 11.11
3 3.7
4 1.233
5 .42
6 .14
7 .047
8 .016

Now lets consider a different dozen, that is, the dozen that did not hit during the last two spins.  In other words, you ARE betting the last two dozens to come.  Since the dozen not betted will be changing, maybe every spin, does that change its odds of appearing?

That's all....

Twocat

[ati]

I'm not sure I understand what you are asking, but since every spin is independent, the odds will never change.

I've run two rng test on European wheel for 100k spins.
Betting only dozen 1 and 2, every spin:
Maximum consecutive wins (spins):    24    Maximum consecutive losses (spins):    11

Betting the last two dozens that hit:
Maximum consecutive wins (spins):    29    Maximum consecutive losses (spins):    14

[TwoCatSam]

ati

Very helpful.  Thanks

Sam

[nottophammer]

Is it safe to say that no one has ever seen the numbers fall from 0 to 36?  Do you suppose it has ever happened?

Let us call that a designated trot; one where the numbers MUST come a certain way.  Would make no difference if they were designated to come from 36 back down to 0.

If, youlook at the columns and take there order and use the number to use as the colour to bet. Would you see that order.
Take column 3. It's colour order is R-B-R-R-B-R-R-B-R-R-B-R. HOW OFTEN WOULD YOU SEE THAT ORDER or the complete opposite?
On the attached you see 1st spin is #9 red. So, you bet the order of column 3, 1st bet is #3, making bet red and win.

Now as you won, rebet #3, bet is for red, #23 win. Same for #5, win as its red.
#13,black, so lose, now the next number on the order is #6, so you bet for black and win, its even number 6.
The same would happen for #'s, 22&35, you would have to bet twice.
Of the 323 spins did the order of  R-B-R-R-B-R-R-B-R-R-B-R, show; So if you follow the order of the colour, did the opposite hit for 12 spins?

[nottophammer]

Just now on R-sim

last number is 36 red.

[nottophammer]

spin 94 shot up. Reason eyes are killing me, arthritus making them sting, thought had to bet 160, when only needed 80

Just using column3 order. You can see black crept in front; would it be better now to use column2?