Bread-Breaker

[thelaw]

I ran the first 90 spins in the Zumma roulette tester book and this is my W/L string
WLWLLWWLWWLLLLLWLLWLLWL

Wow! I've only seen 5 losses in a row one other time. Did it recover (I end with -13 units)?

....and just to check, this was the exact betting system presented above including the double-charting?

Thanks!

[thelaw]

Here is a sample game for clarification (99 spins- Spielbank Weisbaden - table 2 06.06.2015) :

BRR
RBR   DDS
BBR   DSS
BBR   SSS
RBB   DSD
BBR   DSD
RRR   DDS
RRB   SSD
BBB   DDS
BBB   SSS
RBB   DSS
BBB   DSS
BBB   SSS
RRR   DDD
BRR   DSS
RRR   DSS
BRR   DSS
BRR   SSS
RRR   DSS
RBB   SDD
RRB   SDS
BBB   DDS
BRB   SDS
BBB   SDS
RRB   DDS
RRR   SSD
BRB   DSD
RBB   DDS
RRB   SDS
BBR   DDD
RRB   DDD
BRR   DSD
RRR   DSS


Here is the charting (again 2 = 2+) :

2112112122221212221212122111221211222122112122

Which leads to this w/L chart :

LLWWLWLLWLLLWLLLW

and this was actually a pretty nasty run with 6 wins and 11 losses (usually it's closer).

Hope this helps for clarification.

What I like about this is that it never appears to go completely off the rails with say 10 losses in a row.

All testing is welcome; especially failures!!!

[dennisbelle]

I only tested 90 spins.  I may have ended with a slightly different result because we may have started our fibonacci progression differently.  Do you start with
11235?  I will paste 110 spins below so you can see if it recovers after the first 90.
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[dennisbelle]

Wow! I've only seen 5 losses in a row one other time. Did it recover (I end with -13 units)?

....and just to check, this was the exact betting system presented above including the double-charting?"

Yes this was the exact betting system presented above including the double-charting.  I could have made
a mistake but I understand how you are playing the method.
Dennis

[thelaw]

Here is what I get (please note that I removed the zeros as they rarely effect the bet) :

BRB
RBB   DDS
BBR   DSD
RBB   DSD
RRR   SDD
RRR   SSS
RRB   SSD
RBB   SDS
BRR   DDD
RBR   DDS
RRB   SDD
RBB   SDS
BBB   DSS
RBR   DSD
BRR   DDS
RBB   DDD
RRB   SDS
RRB   SDS
RRR   SSD
BRB   DSD
RBR   DDD
RRB   SDD
RRB   SSS
BBR   DDD
RRR   DDS
RBB   SDD
RRR   SDD
RRB   SSD
BBR   DDD
BBB   SSD
BBR   SSD
BRB   SDD
RBR   DDD
BBR   DSS
BRR   SDS
B       S

Which gives us this chart :

21121112211112221111211212112122121222221222212112212

and a W/L chart :

LWLLWWLWLWWLLLLWWWWLWWLLL

12 WINS
13 LOSSES

My Fib starts with nothing and builds from there, so 5 losses in a row would look like : 11234


Thanks!

[dennisbelle]

I will compare our charts to see where the difference occurs.  My understanding of fibonacci is the last two numbers added together make the next number so how did you come up with the number 4?

[dennisbelle]

The first difference is that I did mine in sets of 30 decisions.  Zumma has 30 spins per column so that would cause us to have different results.  Also there are
some errors on your work up.  I won't point out all of them but just a few.  See below.
BRB
RBB   DDS 211121112211112221111211212112 I stopped here my eyes are starting to cross but you can see some differences. I like your results better.
BBR   DSD
RBB   DSD
RRR   SDD
RRR   SSS
RRB   SSD
RBB   SDS
BRR   DDD
RBR   DDS
RRB   SDD
RBB   SDS
BBB   DSS
RBR   DSD
BRR   DDS
RBB   DDD
RRB   SDS
RRB   SDS---This should be SSS
RRR   SSD
BRB   DSD
RBR   DDD
RRB   SDD
RRB   SSS
BBR   DDD
RRR   DDS
RBB   SDD
RRR   SDD
RRB   SSD
BBR   DDD
BBB   SSD
BBR   SSD
BRB   SDD
RBR   DDD
BBR   DSS
BRR   SDS
B       S

[JimmieB]

Just checking I would be playing this correctly, say we have a 1 1, meaning a trigger, and we are now going to be betting for another 1, do you bet just the once after the first spin in the next sequence in order to bet for the 1, I’ll try and explain....

RBR
BBB DSD 1
BRB SDS 1 trigger to bet for the next sequence to be a 1
B....ok, this is an S, in order for this sequence to be a 1, I’m betting the next outcome to be a D, therefore, I bet B, is this correct?

Here’s another example with a 2 2 sequence, as I’m assuming you could be betting twice in the sequence after the first spin....

RRB
BRB DSS 2
BRR SSD 2...trigger to bet for another 2 in the sequence
R...D, ok this is a D, in order for this to be a 2, I want another D, therefore, I bet B, say it’s R, which means an S, I now bet for another S to give me the 2, therefore, I bet R?

[thelaw]

I will compare our charts to see where the difference occurs.  My understanding of fibonacci is the last two numbers added together make the next number so how did you come up with the number 4?

Yes, the way that I play Fib is add the first and last (perhaps it's called something else).

[thelaw]

Errors Corrected (Thanks DB) :

BRB
RBB   DDS
BBR   DSD
RBB   DSD
RRR   SDD
RRR   SSS
RRB   SSD
RBB   SDS
BRR   DDD
RBR   DDS
RRB   SDD
RBB   SDS
BBB   DSS
RBR   DSD
BRR   DDS
RBB   DDD
RRB   SDS
RRB   SSS
RRR   SSD
BRB   DSD
RBR   DDD
RRB   SDD
RRB   SSS
BBR   DDD
RRR   DDS
RBB   SDD
RRR   SDD
RRB   SSD
BBR   DDD
BBB   SSD
BBR   SSD
BRB   SDD
RBR   DDD
BBR   DSS
BRR   SDS
B       S

Which gives us this chart :

211121112211112221111211212112212121222221222212112212

and a W/L chart :

WLWLLWWLWLWWLLLLWWWLWLLLL

11 WINS
14 LOSSES

[thelaw]

Just checking I would be playing this correctly, say we have a 1 1, meaning a trigger, and we are now going to be betting for another 1, do you bet just the once after the first spin in the next sequence in order to bet for the 1, I’ll try and explain....

RBR
BBB DSD 1
BRB SDS 1 trigger to bet for the next sequence to be a 1
B....ok, this is an S, in order for this sequence to be a 1, I’m betting the next outcome to be a D, therefore, I bet B, is this correct?

Here’s another example with a 2 2 sequence, as I’m assuming you could be betting twice in the sequence after the first spin....

RRB
BRB DSS 2
BRR SSD 2...trigger to bet for another 2 in the sequence
R...D, ok this is a D, in order for this to be a 2, I want another D, therefore, I bet B, say it’s R, which means an S, I now bet for another S to give me the 2, therefore, I bet R?

The original D or S (different or same) doesn't matter, it's just for charting. We then are looking to follow the singles or 2+ patterns. Any two of the same pattern are are a trigger and we bet for a third, like 211(trigger) 1 (bet). Does that make sense?

[JimmieB]

Aha...makes sense now, after I sent the post I realised I also didn't understand how you were getting the 2 and 1 sequences, crystar clear now, thanks

Jim

[P.A]

Hi Law,
Make a BREAD-BREAKER for DOZENS, or Column.
They will be very interesting!

[Tomla021]

I dont want to break up a perfectly good thread but:
Why not 124 marty the dominant above?
BRB
RBB   DDS
BBR   DSD +1
RBB   DSD +1
RRR   SDD +1
RRR   SSS +1
RRB   SSD +1
RBB   SDS +1
BRR   DDD+1
RBR   DDS+1
RRB   SDD+1
RBB   SDS+1
BBB   DSS+1
RBR   DSD+1
BRR   DDS+1
RBB   DDD+1
RRB   SDS+1
RRB   SSS+1
RRR   SSD+1
BRB   DSD+1
RBR   DDD+1
RRB   SDD+1
RRB   SSS+1
BBR   DDD-7
RRR   DDS+1
RBB   SDD+1
RRR   SDD+1
RRB   SSD+1
BBR   DDD+1
BBB   SSD+1
BBR   SSD+1
BRB   SDD+1
RBR   DDD+1
BBR   DSS+1
BRR   SDS+1       plus 25 units
B       S

Which gives us this chart :

211121112211112221111211212112212121222221222212112212

and a W/L chart :

WLWLLWWLWLWWLLLLWWWLWLLLL

11 WINS
14 LOSSES

[thelaw]

I dont want to break up a perfectly good thread but:
Why not 124 marty the dominant above?
BRB
RBB   DDS
BBR   DSD +1
RBB   DSD +1
RRR   SDD +1
RRR   SSS +1
RRB   SSD +1
RBB   SDS +1
BRR   DDD+1
RBR   DDS+1
RRB   SDD+1
RBB   SDS+1
BBB   DSS+1
RBR   DSD+1
BRR   DDS+1
RBB   DDD+1
RRB   SDS+1
RRB   SSS+1
RRR   SSD+1
BRB   DSD+1
RBR   DDD+1
RRB   SDD+1
RRB   SSS+1
BBR   DDD-7
RRR   DDS+1
RBB   SDD+1
RRR   SDD+1
RRB   SSD+1
BBR   DDD+1
BBB   SSD+1
BBR   SSD+1
BRB   SDD+1
RBR   DDD+1
BBR   DSS+1
BRR   SDS+1       plus 25 units
B       S

Which gives us this chart :

211121112211112221111211212112212121222221222212112212

and a W/L chart :

WLWLLWWLWLWWLLLLWWWLWLLLL

11 WINS
14 LOSSES

Works for this chart, but tanks heavy on others. If you're really brave, you can do an 8 step Marti with the W/L above!!!