9 boxes method (pdf attached)

[shuttle]

Hi edved

Thanks for the worked example, that answers my question.

[thelaw]

Ah, ok, the way you’ve described it, is how I would use the divisor for EC bets, again, I wasn’t sure how the safety break worked in this scenario either, let me make sure I’ve got this right, I’ll start off with 10/10 betting EC’s, I see you round up as soon you get a decimal i.e. 1.1 becomes 2, I’m aware you can play it where you don’t round up until th decimal is .5 i.e. 1.1 remains at 1, 1.6 would be 2....

10/10, bet 1, lose -1, BR -1
11/10, bet 2, lose -2, BR -3 (now we add 2 to the 11)
13/10, bet 2, win +2, BR -1 (now we take the 2 of the 13, and reduce the 10 to 9 as its a x1 payout?)
11/9, again still 2, lose -2, BR -3
13/9, bet 2, lose -2, BR -5
15/9, bet 2, lose -2, BR -7
17/9, bet 2, lose -2, BR -9
19/9, now bet 3, lose -3, BR -12
22/9, bet 3, win +3, BR -9
19/8, bet 3, lose -3, BR -12
22/8, bet 3, lose -3, BR -15
25/8, now bet 4, lose -4, BR -19
29/8, ok, if we lose this bet would now become 5, and say this is to high, increase both sides by, say 4, I’ve now got 33/12, bet would be 3...
33/12, bet 3, win +3, BR -16
29/11, bet 3, win +3, BR-13
26/10, bet 3, win +3, BR -10
..and so on...

The above example is quite extreme, I would have probably have quit and started over when I got to -15, however, I’m hoping this means I now have an understanding of the safety break!!! Here is a link to playing the divisor for EC’s in an almost similar way link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3731.0

Regarding the way I’ve used the divisor for the box method would you use it any differently, or, could you maybe start with something like, say 35/105, and if I get a win at some point 105 would reduce to 70, anytime I’m in a plus balance, simply start over?

@edved, sorry for kind of high jacking your thread.....you mentioned betting the 4 numbers with splits, this could also be used with the divisor, in this case starting of at 1/17, after loss it would be 3/17, etc. not as much BR required, however, returns are less.

As thelaw quite rightly mentioned, I don't know why more people don't look at this as a progression....

Jim

Can you send me a W/L record for a moderate sized game (whatever you would bet in one sitting)? Then I can see what the best option would be for the starting numbers.

The main reason that people don't use it is the Marti aspect, as eventually most strategies lead to several losses possible in a row.

[JimmieB]

Hi thelaw,

I'll PM you, as I don't want to deviate from the main topic of the thread...

Jim

[edved77]

feel free to include it here, I'd be interested to see this.

[edved77]

I remember a catch the 8 train method and you could use something similar here - catch the 5 train - so you are tracking the boxes with 1 hit (ive seen all 9 hit once though), then 2 hits, then 3 hits, then 4 then 5 -end of. Or start from 3, then 4, then 5.  I might have to try that. 

[JimmieB]

@edved, thanks for letting me post the following on your thread.

@thelaw, here is a real WL reg, I hope it's enough, sods law, it was a good session, I was playing this, which I think is a pretty good EC system (thanks BW  ) link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15162.0

w w w lll w lw lw lw w w w w w w lw w w lw

Jim

[thelaw]

Hey Jimmie,

Just to clarify the strategy :



Loss = -2 (2 splits)

Win = +16 (betting on 2 splits = +17-1=16)

Is this correct?

Also, the link that you posted is for a double-street system-I'm confused???

I assumed your w/L would look like :

llllllwlllwllllwlwllllllwlwlllw

What am I missing?

[JimmieB]

Hi thelaw,

Misunderstanding on my part, in one of your previous posts when you mentioned a divisor of 10/10, I though you were wanting to show an EC WL reg, as this is a typical divisor for this type of bet, my bad, sorry...

Ok, here is an actual WL reg from a 9 box game I played, it was only 46 spins (about an hours worth of play with a live dealer at Celtic Casino), however, I had 4 games within those 46 spins, as when I get a win I score of the first 10 spins and corresponding lines in my table for that game,meaning games come around fairly quickly, also helps, in theory with your win rate per spin/time etc., and yes I would be betting the splits, the results are as follows, the numbers are the amount of boxes I was betting.

L L L L L L L L L W
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2

W
1

L L L L L L L L L W
1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 4

L W
1 1

Jim

[thelaw]

Hi thelaw,

Misunderstanding on my part, in one of your previous posts when you mentioned a divisor of 10/10, I though you were wanting to show an EC WL reg, as this is a typical divisor for this type of bet, my bad, sorry...

Ok, here is an actual WL reg from a 9 box game I played, it was only 46 spins (about an hours worth of play with a live dealer at Celtic Casino), however, I had 4 games within those 46 spins, as when I get a win I score of the first 10 spins and corresponding lines in my table for that game,meaning games come around fairly quickly, also helps, in theory with your win rate per spin/time etc., and yes I would be betting the splits, the results are as follows, the numbers are the amount of boxes I was betting.

L L L L L L L L L W
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2

W
1

L L L L L L L L L W
1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 4

L W
1 1

Jim

It looks like your system above is working pretty well. Why add the divisor method? It seems like it would only

Has it run out of control yet? What are the most losses you've seen before a win?

[thelaw]

Just ran my first test on Spielbank 6.12.15 table 2 and had a section sleep for 26 spins, but also had 3 other sectors hit within that time at spin 9, spin 3, and spin 5, so an overall loss if flat betting.


Unless we can be confident that a sector will not sleep, or have a good stop-loss, a progression looks very dangerous.

[JimmieB]

Hi thelaw,

I haven't tested much yet, will be doing more, as I mentioned in a previous post, personally, I like this system as it quite suits how I play.

Regarding the small sample that I posted, flat betting, I would be -6 after the 4 games, game 1 -8, game 2 +16, game 3 -28, and game 4 +14, LDD is game 3 -38 units

Using a divisor of 1/17 for the 4 games, game 1 +8, highest bet 2 units per split (8 units), divisor reset for game 2, +16, game 3 -22, highest bet 4 units per split (32 units), game 4 divisor started at 23/17, +28 units won, highest bet 2 units per split, total after the 4 games 30 units after 46 spins, LDD came in game 3, -62 units.

Having checked the excel attachment is one of edved's previous posts, I think the 1/17 divisor would have been fine as well, as game 1 won on the 12th spin, 2 boxes bet, game 2 won on the 1st spin, game 3 won on the 8th spin, 3 boxes bet, game 4 won on the 4th spin 2 boxes bet.

Jim

[edved77]

Just ran my first test on Spielbank 6.12.15 table 2 and had a section sleep for 26 spins, but also had 3 other sectors hit within that time at spin 9, spin 3, and spin 5, so an overall loss if flat betting.


Unless we can be confident that a sector will not sleep, or have a good stop-loss, a progression looks very dangerous.

Hi thelaw

I just ran some tests on the same spielbank file - see attached for how I got on.  The headline results are:

Betting every box that gets 4 hits until a box gets a fifth hit - within a 37 spin cycle.

Spielbank 6.12.15 table 2
TOTAL SPINS   270
WINS      7
MOST SPINS IN GAME   31
LEAST SPINS IN GAME   14
MOST BOXES TRIGGERED IN SINGLE GAME   4
LEAST BOXES TRIGGERED IN SINGLE GAME   1

I havent worked out what progression I would have used yet - so will add this to the attached file when I get a moment. 

edved77

[thelaw]

Hi thelaw,

I haven't tested much yet, will be doing more, as I mentioned in a previous post, personally, I like this system as it quite suits how I play.

Regarding the small sample that I posted, flat betting, I would be -6 after the 4 games, game 1 -8, game 2 +16, game 3 -28, and game 4 +14, LDD is game 3 -38 units

Using a divisor of 1/17 for the 4 games, game 1 +8, highest bet 2 units per split (8 units), divisor reset for game 2, +16, game 3 -22, highest bet 4 units per split (32 units), game 4 divisor started at 23/17, +28 units won, highest bet 2 units per split, total after the 4 games 30 units after 46 spins, LDD came in game 3, -62 units.

Having checked the excel attachment is one of edved's previous posts, I think the 1/17 divisor would have been fine as well, as game 1 won on the 12th spin, 2 boxes bet, game 2 won on the 1st spin, game 3 won on the 8th spin, 3 boxes bet, game 4 won on the 4th spin 2 boxes bet.

Jim

It's the 20+ spins without a hit that concern me. We have now seen hundreds of systems with the same flaw.

Also, what happens when we reach the last bet of the divisor and lose? Answer : Martingale

We could probably stay ahead for a while, but what if we see several losing streaks in a row?

Not saying it won't work, but a firm conservative stop-loss will be necessary

[thelaw]

Hi thelaw

I just ran some tests on the same spielbank file - see attached for how I got on.  The headline results are:

Betting every box that gets 4 hits until a box gets a fifth hit - within a 37 spin cycle.

Spielbank 6.12.15 table 2
TOTAL SPINS   270
WINS      7
MOST SPINS IN GAME   31
LEAST SPINS IN GAME   14
MOST BOXES TRIGGERED IN SINGLE GAME   4
LEAST BOXES TRIGGERED IN SINGLE GAME   1

I havent worked out what progression I would have used yet - so will add this to the attached file when I get a moment. 

edved77

So does "most spins in a game" indicate number of losses before a win?

I start with the first #4 sector and then following the above instructions, I have to stop @ spin 24 as I have hit the end of the 37 spin cycle.

Thanks!

[edved77]

So does "most spins in a game" indicate number of losses before a win?

I start with the first #4 sector and then following the above instructions, I have to stop @ spin 24 as I have hit the end of the 37 spin cycle.

Thanks!

Most spins refers to the total number of spins to complete a game including the initial waiting for first trigger/s to appear. in the excel doc it shows you how long each game is and where the triggers (T) and wins are (W).