THE CROSSPLAY 5*****

[strato1985]

I surpised myself

Today I start for real after not being able to afford to play, I now have enough . .  I've tested the zone (thanks to Fender) an I seem to keep winning. .

Today I'm +6. . .   I will try for 10pts a day

Maybe I'll see you in vegas, get a slice of the vegas pie

[FENDER1000]

Okay Its just as well that I now wait for 3 triggers today I experienced my first 6loss with the win coming on the 5th spin of the 7th game. in the second session it was a breeze 3 triggers win game over. So the 3 trigger revision has kept my streak alive. Here are the results...

FRIDAY----SESSION 1
DOZEN 1=9
COLUMN 2=13----DOZEN 2=11----3 TRIGGERS COMPLETE
DOZEN 3=7-5PTS
COLUMN 1=8-12PTS
COLUMN 2=7-30PTS
DOZEN 1=5=+7PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 7 POINTS PROFIT----LEVEL 4 STAKING
COLUMN 2=5
COLUMN 3=6
DOZEN 1=7
DOZEN 2=6----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 4 WINS--6 LOSSES

FRIDAY----SESSION 2
COLUMN 1=8
DOZEN 2=9
DOZEN 1=7----3 TRIGGERS COMPLETE
COLUMN 2=5+4PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 4 POINTS PROFIT
DOZEN 3=12
COLUMN 1=6
DOZEN 2=17----COLUMN 1=5
COLUMN 3=8
DOZEN 1=5----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 4 WINS--6 LOSSES

RUNNING BALANCE SINCE 17/05/2010=132 POINTS PROFIT
WINNING STREAK 91 WINS AND ZERO LOSSES

[FENDER1000]

I surpised myself

Today I start for real after not being able to afford to play, I now have enough . .  I've tested the zone (thanks to Fender) an I seem to keep winning. .

Today I'm +6. . .   I will try for 10pts a day

Maybe I'll see you in vegas, get a slice of the vegas pie

Strat hi, and well done. When the time comes, I will give a personal invite to any interested in a two week holiday in vegas. I will pay for everyone coming. up to a certain limit, I obviously want certain people on this forum to be there. But even negatives are welcome. I really want that guy from the wizard of odds, can't remember his name. He needs putting straight like no other. lol!!

[Side B]

Side B Hi, yes tracking and betting a new dozen/column before a losing one has come back from its vacation is standard.  It works perfectly.  Remember you may not have seen many of these but I have.  Some dozens and columns can stay out for 25 plus spins.  Two days ago at Betfreds Column 2 took 26 spins to come home.  In between there were 3 winning streaks for the dozens and columns. 

Right. . .  See, there's always been confusion about this point, I know a lot of people were struggling with this on the other forum, but my understanding was that you waited for the losing dozen to hit before looking for a qualifier from scratch again.

You're saying that you don't.  I want to be sure I get this right, the dozen you're tracking doesn't drop so you start looking for a qualifier among the two other dozens.  So you're waiting for one of the two remaining dozens to repeat 4 times in a row before betting on the other, right?  

[ScoobyDoo]

Hi guys,

I don't really have a good feeling about mixing both dozen and colume triggers. They are "Apples and Oranges"...I think you could have 7 losses in a row in either dozens or columes seperately. When you use both together it just adds to the possibility of 7 losses. At least that's my opinion....what do you think?

[atlantis]

Right. . .  See, there's always been confusion about this point, I know a lot of people were struggling with this on the other forum, but my understanding was that you waited for the losing dozen to hit before looking for a qualifier from scratch again.

You're saying that you don't.  I want to be sure I get this right, the dozen you're tracking doesn't drop so you start looking for a qualifier among the two other dozens.  So you're waiting for one of the two remaining dozens to repeat 4 times in a row before betting on the other, right?  

Hi SideB,
The rule is that a doz/col must have missed for *EXACTLY* 4 spins for it be a qualifier
A.

[FENDER1000]

Right. . .  See, there's always been confusion about this point, I know a lot of people were struggling with this on the other forum, but my understanding was that you waited for the losing dozen to hit before looking for a qualifier from scratch again.

You're saying that you don't.  I want to be sure I get this right, the dozen you're tracking doesn't drop so you start looking for a qualifier among the two other dozens.  So you're waiting for one of the two remaining dozens to repeat 4 times in a row before betting on the other, right?  

Exactly SIDE B, Winners don't come in a straight line. There will be wins while a loser is still out there.

[Side B]

Right, ok, I'll give that a go then but I think there's probably a lot more losers that way, I'll go through my play history and check whether I would have fared better if I hadn't waited for the losing dozen to hit before tracking again.

But this means waiting for the same dozen to drop 4 times in a row, which I thought was what you called a twin-qualifier situation, which according to the rules you are meant to avoid unless one of the qualifiers has lost its previous 2 games?

FYI What I'm toying with right now is when one dozen is losing, I start tracking the other two and wait for one of them to drop twice in a row and then bet on the other one.  The idea being that often your losing dozen doesn't drop for many more spins, so I take advantage of the fact that the other two keep repeating. 

[strato1985]

Fair play fender I've made 13pts today . .   Gotta know when to quit . .

I'd pay for myself just to see the up roar ,, I hopin I aint gonna work again !!!!

Also fair play to all the top people brainstorming

[moles40]

Okay Its just as well that I now wait for 3 triggers today I experienced my first 6loss with the win coming on the 5th spin of the 7th game.

You say you play 20 pound a point so your liability on that spin was 1500 pound,and you would have had to have put down 540 quid on dozen 1,crazy stuff

Where online can you play with such a high table limit,your next bet for the 6th spin if spin 5 had lost would have been an incredible 820 pounds and nearly 2500 pound liability

[FENDER1000]

You say you play 20 pound a point so your liability on that spin was 1500 pound,and you would have had to have put down 540 quid on dozen 1,crazy stuff

Where online can you play with such a high table limit,your next bet for the 6th spin if spin 5 had lost would have been an incredible 820 pounds and nearly 2500 pound liability

No with the Crossplay 5 I use 10 pound points Moles. Still a fair amount. But remember I have a 20,000 pound bank. Its all relative. Had two easy sessions today will update tomorrow. Been concentrating on a strategy Scooby and myself have created. I am very excited. And it will hit this forum next week. When we fine tune a few things. I think you are going to love it.

[moles40]

No with the Crossplay 5 I use 10 pound points Moles. Still a fair amount. But remember I have a 20,000 pound bank. Its all relative. Had two easy sessions today will update tomorrow. Been concentrating on a strategy Scooby and myself have created. I am very excited. And it will hit this forum next week. When we fine tune a few things. I think you are going to love it.

Yeah I'm waiting to see this new system of your yours Fender,nothing like having another great winning system to bring those casinos to their knees

[F_LAT_INO]

Hey Scooby

I said numerous times the enthuiasm of Fender is a good thing, I have also said he sometimes appears to have blinkers on to those that disagree, BUT, when someone agrees and praises him and becomes a follower, he takes them onboard and when they and only they recommend a change he agrees with it, and if they change it enough it gets a new name and they get the credit, makes you think doesn't it?

If I had something that had made me thousands of units $EuroÃ,£s' and felt I needed to tell forums about it, I would NOT take any changes to what I know/think works, heck if it's worked for 11 years and is 'the sure thing' why change it.

Why change it?? because as it gets tested more by different people it morphs as different players get different results, that's why people are supsect of Fender, hinting on someone that either is building up to sell something or just plain attention seeking.

When it emerged on the old VLS forum it was run against automated testing bots RX etc, and because they show long term results in a matter of minutes, the fails show up, that was not welcomed and poopooed by the hopeful people that 'hope' it isn't true, theres none so blind as those that don't WANT to see.

Very well and true said.And that is a-FACT-/nothing of Las Vegas/lol/

[FENDER1000]

HOW MUCH PATIENCE SHOULD A GAMBLER HAVE? ANWSER you can NEVER have TOO MUCH! Now I am nearing that special barrier. As I write this I am 95 wins ZERO losses for THE CROSSPLAY 5. Only though I must add. Because of Trebor alerting us of the 7loss he suffered. And me responding to this by strectching my triggers from 2 to 3. Now let me tell you this. IF I make it to 100 & 0. I will then be waiting for 4 triggers for each session to commence. Remember this, it takes about 30 winning sessions to recover 1 losing bank of 116 POINTS. If the difference between that happening is 1 extra trigger. You would be pretty foolish not to wait for it. I am going to have 4 triggers from now on. YES I WILL HAVE TO WAIT LONGER FOR QUALIFIERS. But I believe I will be waiting a lot longer for that killer streak of 8 losing games. I hope YOU can all understand this. Okay here are the results of my last 4 sessions.

SATURDAY----SESSION 1
DOZEN 1=13
DOZEN 1=9
COLUMN 2=8----3 TRIGGERS COMPLETE
DOZEN 2=11-5PTS
COLUMN 1=6+4PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 4 POINTS PROFIT----LEVEL 2 STAKES
DOZEN 3=5
COLUMN 3=5
DOZEN 1=7
COLUMN 2=22
COLUMN 3=5----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 4 WINS--6 LOSSES

SATURDAY----SESSION 2
COLUMN 1=11----DOZEN 3=9
COLUMN 2=14----3 TRIGGERS COMPLETE
DOZEN 1=5+4PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 4 POINTS PROFIT
DOZEN 2=6
DOZEN 3=5
COLUMN 1=6----DOZEN 3=5
COLUMN 3=17
COLUMN 3=7----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 5 WINS--5 LOSSES

SUNDAY----SESSION 1
DOZEN 1=17
DOZEN 2=7
COLUMN 1=8----3 TRIGGERS COMPLETE
DOZEN 3=5+4PTS SESSION ENDED WITH 4 POINTS PROFIT
COLUMN 2=6
COLUMN 2=5
DOZEN 1=7
DOZEN 3=6----COLUMN 3=10
COLUMN 3=6----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 4 WINS--6 LOSSES

SUNDAY----SESSION 2
COLUMN 1=8
COLUMN 2=9
DOZEN 2=11----3 TRIGGERS COMPLETE
DOZEN 2=6+4PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 4 POINTS PROFIT
COLUMN 3=7
COLUMN 1=5
DOZEN 2=7
DOZEN 3=5
DOZEN 1=5
COLUMN 2=13----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 4 WINS--6 LOSSES

RUNNING BALANCE SINCE 17/05/2010=148 POINTS PROFIT
WINNING STREAK IS 95 WINS AND ZERO LOSSES

[atlantis]

HOW MUCH PATIENCE SHOULD A GAMBLER HAVE? ANWSER you can NEVER have TOO MUCH! Now I am nearing that special barrier. As I write this I am 95 wins ZERO losses for THE CROSSPLAY 5. Only though I must add. Because of Trebor alerting us of the 7loss he suffered. And me responding to this by strectching my triggers from 2 to 3. Now let me tell you this. IF I make it to 100 & 0. I will then be waiting for 4 triggers for each session to commence. Remember this, it takes about 30 winning sessions to recover 1 losing bank of 116 POINTS. If the difference between that happening is 1 extra trigger. You would be pretty foolish not to wait for it. I am going to have 4 triggers from now on. YES I WILL HAVE TO WAIT LONGER FOR QUALIFIERS. But I believe I will be waiting a lot longer for that killer streak of 8 losing games. I hope YOU can all understand this.

Hi Fender,
I looked at your results. Very Good. If you operate the 3 triggers separately for cols and doz (instead of mixed) maybe you won't need to go for the 4 triggers in a row??

eg:
DOZEN1=11
DOZEN2=8
DOZEN1=13

COLUMN1=10
COLUMN2=9
COLUMN3=7

Keep a chart to count consecutive losing columns and one for consecutive losing dozens. Reset the count if a virtual winner occurs on the appropriate chart if that happens before you have counted a virtual three-loss of that type.

A.