THE CROSSPLAY 5*****

[moles40]

--SINGLE ZERO IN LV
--CES.PALACE
--HILTON
--MONTE CARLO
--NEVADA PALACE
--PARIS
--STRATOSPHERE
--VENETIAN


--EN PRISON-RULES

--BELLAGIO
--MGM GRAND
--MIRAGE
--RIO SUITES
--WYNN

---From above selected from my tourist agency,I decided for S tratosphere.

Wow thats quite a big list of casinos that have the single zero wheel,more than enough to bring those casinos to their knees

Thanks for posting that.

[FENDER1000]

The Bellagio and Mirage are gonna hope they're seeing a mirage once I hit them in 2012.

[StackBundles]

Yo fender i hope its before 21st of dec 2012 the world ends remember

[trebor]

Questions for Fender although anyone can chip in.

From your first post the trigger is just wait for a sleep of four?

What do you do if two dozens or two columns qualify at the same time?  I've seen four qualifiers.

I see tyhat you have now added another level of progression.  Is this another work on progress?

After reading some of the posts of success I think I must be playing a completely different game on another planet.  I seem to be blessed with perpetual bad luck.   Is there anyone else out there that this is not working for?

Trebor

[superman]

Is there anyone else out there that this is not working for?

You are on my planet mate, there's plenty of us here already, we have tried all Fenders methods and can't make profit (without high risk after losses), welcome to our world.

I am not negative towards fender or his methods, they don't work FOR ME I replied as a question was asked of the failures who tried this method, I am one of them, there are others.

[moles40]

Another dreadful  session which means 3 out of the last 4 have been dreadful.I think the zone beats this method hands down. ,unless I am doing it wrong.Here are the live results,could someone run through them and tell me what they make the result.

d   c

3   3
1   1
3   3
2   2
1   1
1   1
1   3
3   1
3   1
2   1
2   2
1   2
3   1
1   1
2   3
3   3
2   3
3   1
3   1
1   1
1   1
3   3
1   1
2   2
1   1
1   1
3   3
3   3
1   3
1   3
1   2
2   3
1   2
2   1
2   2
1   1
2   3    
2   3
3   1

[atlantis]

Hi Moles,

I prefer to track horizontally left to right

1,2,1,3,1,1...etc

I find it much easier to work out what I should be betting. I also circle the dozen I am going to bet on so as not to forget. In the above case it is doz 2 that qualifies having missed 4 times - so I circle the 2.  After I win or lose I simply put an X through the circle to indicate that game is over.

A.

[FENDER1000]

Another dreadful  session which means 3 out of the last 4 have been dreadful.I think the zone beats this method hands down. ,unless I am doing it wrong.Here are the live results,could someone run through them and tell me what they make the result.

d   c

3   3
1   1
3   3
2   2
1   1
1   1
1   3
3   1
3   1
2   1
2   2
1   2
3   1
1   1
2   3
3   3
2   3
3   1
3   1
1   1
1   1
3   3
1   1
2   2
1   1
1   1
3   3
3   3
1   3
1   3
1   2
2   3
1   2
2   1
2   2
1   1
2   3    
2   3
3   1

Moles have you seen how I display my results? I would like you to do similar then I can quickly understand what I am looking at. I do think this strategy might be too much for a newbie. Because there is alot to consider. The zone take one ot the other at a time. Not both together. I think triggers might be better for newbies like the strict version of the zone. I am not sure how you are playing this Moles from what you have presented I need a format something like this
DOZEN 1=9-2PTS
COLUMN 3=5+2PTS ETC. That is instantly understandable to me. Also where are you playing how are you staking? Are you playing the complete session everytime. I DON'T, Most of my sessions would break even or lose if I completed them MOLES. Thats one of the things a simulator cannot do STOP in the middle or first third of a session. Hence the simulator will say this strategy fails my bankroll tells me different just like the zone. I need clear anwsers moles then I can be sure if you are playing it right or not.

[FENDER1000]

I might try that one to get more time... Can you make the wheel spin without betting to track for qualifiers?

This I concur with. It is v.good advice.

Also, would be grateful for your take on the couple of playing scenarios I posed earlier on today. Thanks.

A.

I am telling you Atlantis. Like I said on VLS and they didn't get it there. APPLICATION OF A STRATEGY IS CRUCIAL. Think like a poker player. Does a poker player bet the same amount and play every hand. Of course not he would lose. GET THAT PROFIT And GET OUT. If you made 4 times 2 points from 4 sessions. It would be better than trying to win 8 points in one session. Do you know how many 4losses I dodged by not completing the whole session for the ZONE over the years Atlantis. **19**. I had 22 in the sessions I played but only got hit by 3 of them at the very start of my session. The other ones I missed happenned in the second half of the session I WASN'T HOME. I am trying to get this through to everyone THE LESS YOU BET THE MORE YOU WILL WIN. That is FACT.

[crikey]

Moles have you seen how I display my results? I would like you to do similar then I can quickly understand what I am looking at.  I do think this strategy might be too much for a newbie.  Because there is a lot to consider.  The zone take one ot the other at a time.  Not both together.  I think triggers might be better for newbies like the strict version of the zone.  I am not sure how you are playing this Moles from what you have presented I need a format something like this
DOZEN 1=9-2PTS
COLUMN 3=5+2PTS ETC.  That is instantly understandable to me.  Also where are you playing how are you staking? Are you playing the complete session everytime.  I DON'T, Most of my sessions would break even or lose if I completed them MOLES.  that's one of the things a simulator cannot do STOP in the middle or first third of a session.  Hence the simulator will say this strategy fails my bankroll tells me different just like the zone.  I need clear anwsers moles then I can be sure if you are playing it right or not. 
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Hi Fender

I would also appreciate some help with how you display the results as I posted earlier.

Does the above mean Dozen 1 qualified and lost on the progression of 1,2,2?

Also as I am new I was looking for the Zone is it the game posted on this forum earlier and is that how you play it.

Thanks  Crikey

[moles40]

Moles have you seen how I display my results? I would like you to do similar then I can quickly understand what I am looking at. I do think this strategy might be too much for a newbie. Because there is a lot to consider. The zone take one ot the other at a time. Not both together. I think triggers might be better for newbies like the strict version of the zone. I am not sure how you are playing this Moles from what you have presented I need a format something like this
DOZEN 1=9-2PTS
COLUMN 3=5+2PTS ETC. That is instantly understandable to me. Also where are you playing how are you staking? Are you playing the complete session everytime. I DON'T, Most of my sessions would break even or lose if I completed them MOLES. that's one of the things a simulator cannot do STOP in the middle or first third of a session. Hence the simulator will say this strategy fails my bankroll tells me different just like the zone. I need clear anwsers moles then I can be sure if you are playing it right or not.

The problem is its not hitting regular enough on spins 5 and 6.I'm playing this at a variety of live online wheels,Dublin bet,21 nova, super casino and its the same result.

This method is fine if you start of well but otherwise its doesn't appear to hold up.

Remember at the end of the day your only giving yourself two chances to win on a bet with only a33% chance of winning.

I've actually been trying this on the EC bets-wait for any EC chance to miss four times then bet it will hit on either spin 5 or 6- and the results have been very impressive.

[ScoobyDoo]

Hi Moles40,

If I may, let me answer for Fender. Here's what he would like to see so he can check out what is happening:

Doz. 1 9=-2
Doz. 3 7=-2
Doz. 2 8=-2 etc.

As far as having only a 33% chance of winning....That is not correct. Let me demonstrate.

These are the only possible outcomes of 2 decisions coming after the qualifying four decisions comprising only two dozens:

11,12,13 - 22,21,23 - 33,31,32

If you will notice, in each group of 4 dozens with only two dozens showing, you would have 5 winners out of the nine outcomes from above.                                       (Example- Dozens 1221: 13, 23, 33, 31, 32 Winners......11, 12, 22, 21 Losers)

Five out of nine posibilities is 55.55% not 33%

Fender really wants to help you but he has to see what you are doing, not just telling him you are not getting hits on spin 5 & 6

Scooby Doo

[F_LAT_INO]

---THE LESS YOU BET THE MORE YOU WILL WIN----
In other words the method you are betting is not stable
as I find the more I bet the more I win,but with different method.
As if any method is considered a winning one why short betting then.
I can't grasp the philosophy behind above statements.

[trebor]

The problem is not being a newbie, it's simple enough to follow two sequences.  It's not bank roll or attitude, I'm playing with very small stakes.  It's not being greedy or inflexible, I'd happily stop, and do, with 3 or four points after a few games.  What it is is that I win a couple of sessions and then have a bad one that takes me back to square one.
I've just looked at Fenders posted sessions again and can say without question that I would have won just like Fender with those sequences.

Mostly I have been using the live wheel with Betfred (Playtech).

All Fenders systems rely on the progression to make a profit but need the sequences to be workable.  If you can marry the right progression to the right system of "unlikely to occur very often" bad sequences this will work.  But what do I know.

I'm still looking.

Trebor

[moles40]

Another dreadful  session which means 3 out of the last 4 have been dreadful.I think the zone beats this method hands down. ,unless I am doing it wrong.Here are the live results,could someone run through them and tell me what they make the result.

d   c

3   3
1   1
3   3
2   2
1   1
1   1
1   3
3   1
3   1
2   1
2   2
1   2
3   1
1   1
2   3
3   3
2   3
3   1
3   1
1   1
1   1
3   3
1   1
2   2
1   1
1   1
3   3
3   3
1   3
1   3
1   2
2   3
1   2
2   1
2   2
1   1
2   3    
2   3
3   1

Here are the actual results


           Dozen 3 (5) +2pts
           column 2(7) -2pts                  
           Dozen  1(6) +1pts              
          column 3(8 -2pts
          dozen  2(7) -2pts
           column 2(12)-2pts
          dozen  3(5) +2pts
           column 1(6) +1pts
           dozen  2(8 -2pts
           column 2(7) -2pts
           dozen  3(11) -2 pts
          column 3(5) +2pts
         
         Total   -5pts

However if you had played "the zone" instead you would have had the casino begging for mercy