THE CROSSPLAY 5*****

[moles40]

Hi Moles40,

If I may, let me answer for Fender. Here's what he would like to see so he can check out what is happening:

Doz. 1 9=-2
Doz. 3 7=-2
Doz. 2 8=-2 etc.

As far as having only a 33% chance of winning....That is not correct. Let me demonstrate.

These are the only possible outcomes of 2 decisions coming after the qualifying four decisions comprising only two dozens:

11,12,13 - 22,21,23 - 33,31,32

If you will notice, in each group of 4 dozens with only two dozens showing, you would have 5 winners out of the nine outcomes from above.                                       (Example- Dozens 1221: 13, 23, 33, 31, 32 Winners......11, 12, 22, 21 Losers)

Five out of nine posibilities is 55.55% not 33%

Fender really wants to help you but he has to see what you are doing, not just telling him you are not getting hits on spin 5 & 6

Scooby Doo

Sorry Scooby I do not understand if we are betting on one dozen or one column the odds are just over 33% that the dozen or column will hit .How can it be 55.55%

[ScoobyDoo]

Moles40,

The 55.55% is if you are only betting on either one dozen or colume at a time, which is most of the time. You are right, it's 33% if betting both at the same time.

Scooby Doo

[FENDER1000]

Here are the actual results


           Dozen 3 (5) +2pts----(level 1 stakes=1,1)
           column 2(7) -2pts                  
           Dozen  1(6) +1pts              
          column 3(8 -2pts
          dozen  2(7) -2pts
           column 2(12)-2pts-----(-5pts)----level 2 stakes---(2,3)
          dozen  3(5) +2pts------(+10pts)----level 3 stakes---(5,7)
           column 1(6) +1pts----(+9pts)----level 3 stakes---(5,7)
           dozen  2(8 -2pts
           column 2(7) -2pts
           dozen  3(11) -2 pts----(-5pts)----level 2 stakes--(2,3)
          column 3(5) +2pts----(+10pts)----level 3 stakes---(5,7)
         
         Total   -5pts------Balance if staking correctly=12 points profit

However if you had played "the zone" instead you would have had the casino begging for mercy

That's BETTER MOLES!!!!!!!!!!Now I can see why you are losing points WHERE IS THE LEVEL 2 STAKES AFTER LOSING 2 GAMES & THE LEVEL 3 STAKES AFTER LOSING 3 GAMES ? I have superimposed the correct staking next to you results. You should have finished that session 12pts in profit. Also something I have been thinking about for awhile. And I first had this thought with the zone. Because the majority of hits come on the 5th and 6th spin for the zone the 6th spin should return the same profit. But in order to do this you would have to beable to bet 1,1.5----Now most casinos have minumum bet of Ã,£1.00 so this isn't possible. The only way to do it is 2,3----But you have to start from 2 points.


CORRECT STAKING

LEVEL 1 STAKES 1,1---TO BE USED ON TWO GAMES IN A ROW if they both lose you go to
LEVEL 2 STAKES 2,3---TO BE USED ON THIRD GAME IF THIS LOSES you go to
LEVEL 3 STAKES 5,7---You remain at this level until you win two games consecutive or not
LEVEL 4 STAKES 10,15---THIS IS TO BE USED IF YOU LOSE 5 GAMES IN A ROW. You are now in 4loss territory for the zone. You stay at this level for one win then drop back to 1.

Then you drop back down to level 1. If you lose 4 or 5 games in a row. Which you could. You remain at this level for the rest of the session. This staking over 4 games puts 44pts at risk. Still very reasonable compared to the 91 at risk for the zone. You WILL need it at some point. The thing to realize is a bad session WILL be followed by a GOOD ONE. I assure you of this. If I had a losing session I will play another one IMMEDIATELY afterwards. And I will go for gold as I know it will recover the previous losses. LOSSES ARE TEMPORARY MOLES Believe that.

I know the ZONE is a semi grail already Moles, its has stood for 11 years. It has nothing to prove to me especially played strictly with the trigger. THE CROSSPLAY 5 is an excellent strategy Moles what you have to understand is with the ZONE when you arrive at the phenomenal 4th game you have essentially lost 8 bets not including the trigger. Do you realize this? So imagine we used the equivalent trigger for the CROSSPLAY 5, it would mean sitting OUT two losing games. So we would have to wait for say a 7 and 8 before going after the next qualifier. NOW how about giving that a try with the CROSSPLAY 5. And using the staking I have shown. Now what is BETTER???

THE ZONES POWER COMES FROM THE TRIGGERS AND CONSISTENCY OF THE 4TH GAME. Maybe we need triggers with THE CROSSPLAY 5. With triggers THIS STRATEGY IS THE GRAIL as far as I am concerned. Its a no lose proposition. I have been thinking about it. BUT REMEMBER, this isn't my baby. Its ATLANTIS'S he has to have a say in this really. I think with triggers it has no equal personally. As you rarely lose more than 4 or 5 games in a row. So sitting out the first two makes it a GRAIL. Atlantis I need your input on this. With triggers your baby becomes THE HOLY GRAIL OF ROULETTE WHAT DO YOU SAY??

[atlantis]

CORRECT STAKING:

LEVEL 1 STAKES 1,1---TO BE USED ON TWO GAMES IN A ROW if they both lose you go to
LEVEL 2 STAKES 2,3---TO BE USED ON THIRD GAME IF THIS LOSES you go to
LEVEL 3 STAKES 5,7---You remain at this level until you win two games consecutive or not
LEVEL 4 STAKES 10,15---THIS IS TO BE USED IF YOU LOSE 5 GAMES IN A ROW. You are now in 4loss territory for the zone. You stay at this level for one win then drop back to 1.

Then you drop back down to level 1. If you lose 4 or 5 games in a row. Which you could. You remain at this level for the rest of the session. This staking over 4 games puts 44pts at risk. Still very reasonable compared to the 91 at risk for the zone. You WILL need it at some point. The thing to realize is a bad session WILL be followed by a GOOD ONE. I assure you of this. If I had a losing session I will play another one IMMEDIATELY afterwards. And I will go for gold as I know it will recover the previous losses. LOSSES ARE TEMPORARY MOLES Believe that.

I know the ZONE is a semi grail already Moles, its has stood for 11 years. It has nothing to prove to me especially played strictly with the trigger. THE CROSSPLAY 5 is an excellent strategy Moles what you have to understand is with the ZONE when you arrive at the phenomenal 4th game you have essentially lost 8 bets not including the trigger. Do you realize this? So imagine we used the equivalent trigger for the CROSSPLAY 5, it would mean sitting OUT two losing games. So we would have to wait for say a 7 and 8 before going after the next qualifier. NOW how about giving that a try with the CROSSPLAY 5. And using the staking I have shown. Now what is BETTER???

THE ZONES POWER COMES FROM THE TRIGGERS AND CONSISTENCY OF THE 4TH GAME. Maybe we need triggers with THE CROSSPLAY 5. With triggers THIS STRATEGY IS THE GRAIL as far as I am concerned. Its a no lose proposition. I have been thinking about it. BUT REMEMBER, this isn't my baby. Its ATLANTIS'S he has to have a say in this really. I think with triggers it has no equal personally. As you rarely lose more than 4 or 5 games in a row. So sitting out the first two makes it a GRAIL. Atlantis I need your input on this. With triggers your baby becomes THE HOLY GRAIL OF ROULETTE WHAT DO YOU SAY??

Hi Fender,

I would venture to say that introducing *triggers* such as used in the normal ZONE that you are going to add more SAFETY and will avoid what would be losing bets... With your CORRECT STAKING PLAN as outlined above surely as a direct consequence it must become more GRAIL-LIKE and foolproof? Sessions may take longer; but I feel you will be rewarded with more consistent long-term positive results. Definately worthy of exploration, fender.


A.

[FENDER1000]

Hi Fender,

I would venture to say that introducing *triggers* such as used in the normal ZONE that you are going to add more SAFETY and will avoid what would be losing bets... With your CORRECT STAKING PLAN as outlined above surely as a direct consequence it must become more GRAIL-LIKE and foolproof? Sessions may take longer; but I feel you will be rewarded with more consistent long-term positive results. Definately worthy of exploration, fender.


A.

Hi Atlantis,
My thinking exactly I have only been hit by one 5loss in all the sessions I have played. If you have a 2 losing game trigger you will probably rarely ever have to go to level 4 with this strategy. Then my thinking is you can start at level 2 stakes instead of 1,1, So you can accelerate your progress. And make the longer waiting time worthwhile.

[ScoobyDoo]

FENDER,

In regards to a progression, I have tested a bit with this one and so far, so good.

1,1 = +2 or +1 /-2
2,3 = +2 or +2 /-7
5,8 = +3 or +4 /-21
12,18 = +3 or +3 /-51
27,41 = +3 or +4 /-78

This progression totals less than the ZONE (91) and has 5-steps, not just 4-steps. Also, you have a profit at every step. If you win on the 3rd, 4th or 5th step, you have won enough to end the session.

[ScoobyDoo]

Oh yeah,
You could also use your "trigger" idea and then you would only need 4-steps of progression instead of 5 which would be only a 51 unit loss. That is only 7 units more than the progression you are proposing to use now with the advantage of profit at every step.

[keel44]

Please don't forget that with a smaller bankroll, you could use higher stakes.   $25 chips maybe.   Then you could only go for 2 or 3 points of profit per day and increase monthly.


Would waiting for 2 losing games in a row mean that you would virtually lose 4 bets in a row. . . . . correct?. . . . . . . .   A dozen/column would have to sleep for 7 or more times twice in a row. . . . . . correct?

[FENDER1000]

Oh yeah,
You could also use your "trigger" idea and then you would only need 4-steps of progression instead of 5 which would be only a 51 unit loss. That is only 7 units more than the progression you are proposing to use now with the advantage of profit at every step.

Nice work Scooby. People I think Scooby has just nailed the progression to be used with triggers. One thing though, we are going to make this SUPER-SAFE. And wait for two triggers to start a bet. Then when you bring Scooby's staking in you have a LOCK. A strategy that I truly believe could be a grail. And you are only risking 51 POINTS on something that should rarely see you having that total up for grabs. I like it.
EXAMPLE
DOZEN 2=9--TRIGGER 1
COLUMN 1=7--TRIGGER 2----WE NOW START BETTING ON THE NEXT QUALIFIER
DOZEN 1=6+4PTS---(STAKING STARTS AT LEVEL 2----(2,3)


You wait for two triggers for each new game. And start at that level of staking. You can then make 8pts from 2 wins GAME OVER. Although I am sure lol! some of you will want top test this over longer sessions, runs. Take my advice though I have played 22 sessions over the last 10 years that I would have lost to a 4loss. HAD I COMPLETED THE SESSION. I only suffered 3 4losses OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS. BECAUSE, they were at the beginning of the session SUPER RARE. The other 19 that I met in realtime play were in the middle to end of the session. I WASN'T THERE. TAKE THE PROFIT AND RUN.

[FENDER1000]

Okay here is an update of my results FRIDAY THROUGH TODAY. From this morning the new rules about the double trigger have come into play. And I have to say I really like it. Especially with Scoobies staking progression 51 points at risk vs 91 with the ZONE. A risk that might prove even safer over time.

FRIDAY
DOZEN 1=9-2PTS
COLUMN 3=6+1PT
COLUMN 3=5+2PTS
DOZEN 3=11-2PTS
COLUMN 1=7-2PTS
COLUMN 1=5+4PTS--(LEVEL 2 STAKES 2,3)
DOZEN 2=5+2PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 3PTS PROFIT
COLUMN 2=9----DOZEN 2=6
DOZEN 1=7----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 4 WINS--6 LOSSES--AND 3 POINTS PROFIT

RUNNING BALANCE SINCE 17/05/2010=78 POINTS PROFIT

SATURDAY
DOZEN 1=7-2PTS
COLUMN 3=8-2PTS
DOZEN 2=11-5PTS----(LEVEL 2 STAKES)
COLUMN 1=5+10PTS----(LEVEL 3 STAKES)
COLUMN 2=6+9PTS---(LEVEL 3 STAKES)----SESSION ENDED WITH 10 POINTS PROFIT
DOZEN 3=9----COLUMN 3=6
COLUMN 1=7----DOZEN 2=5
DOZEN 2=13----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 4 WINS--6 LOSSES--AND 10 PTS PROFIT

RUNNING BALANCE SINCE 17/05/2010=85 POINTS PROFIT

SUNDAY---NEW REVISED METHOD WAITING FOR 2 TRIGGERS TO START SESSION
COLUMN 1=7----TRIGGER 1
DOZEN 3=11----TRIGGER 2
COLUMN 2=8-5PTS--(LEVEL 1 STAKES 2,3)
DOZEN 2=5+10PTS--(LEVEL 2 STAKES 5,7)----SESSION ENDED WITH 5PTS PROFIT
DOZEN 1=6----COLUMN 3=8
COLUMN 2=17
DOZEN 3=5
DOZEN 2=6
COLUMN 2=10----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 4 WINS--6 LOSSES--AND 5 PTS PROFIT

I really like this revised method. It makes me feel really safe. As I am hardly ever seeing more than 3 losses in a row before a win. And we are STARTING after 2. Nice tweaks. Check this out guys. Moles in particular. I think you will like this.

[ScoobyDoo]

Hi FENDER,

Just one thing....By dropping the first level of the progression (1,1) you are risking 76 units now, not 51 units.

[trebor]

Why do you leave the final stake out of the total risked? Surely the whole progression is the risk as the final bet might be lost.

Trebor

[FENDER1000]

Hi FENDER,

Just one thing....By dropping the first level of the progression (1,1) you are risking 76 units now, not 51 units.

Hey Scooby thanks for the correction. HEY I can live with that. We still have to lose 7 games in a row to lose 76 points. I like those odds Scooby when you will be averaging 7 points a session. Thats 11 winning sessions to every losing one required. Very achievable Scooby as I have won (including my RNG sessions) over 80 without a losing one so far. IMPRESSIVE is an understatement.

[ScoobyDoo]

Hi FENDER,

Hmm...I think you are getting confused. If you cut off the first step in the progression, that only leaves 4 steps.....If you have a trigger of waiting for two losses in a row, then if you lose your progression, you only need 6 losses to do that, not seven.

I don't mean to be so picky but we need to get it right.

[FENDER1000]

Hi FENDER,

Hmm...I think you are getting confused. If you cut off the first step in the progression, that only leaves 4 steps.....If you have a trigger of waiting for two losses in a row, then if you lose your progression, you only need 6 losses to do that, not seven.

I don't mean to be so picky but we need to get it right.

Hey scooby you are right, but that's still good. The Most losing games I have had in 80 sessions is 5 between the dozens and columns. So I do expect to lose every now and then Scooby I would be a fool not to. The question is as always, are the wins enough to generate OVERALL PROFIT. And from what I have witnessed I can say YES THEY ARE, we need on average 11 winning sessions to match 1 loss. I think you could win 30/1 easy. I am 80/0 as we write. I will let you know when I hit my first 6loss.