Kimo Li's Methods

[Azim]

Azim,

So how much have you made to date with GUT? (units profit over how many spins)

Thanks!

I don't gamble... If you go through all my posts. I have showed my balances when i do try a system.

I had video's out to show the GUT as a winning system playing with a bot plus on an RNG site of William hill which most of you say is rigged.

BTW I just picked William hill. I can do the video and prove it to you that it can work on any site.

[Chrisbis]

BTW I just picked William hill. I can do the video and prove it to you that it can work on any site.

Yes please! 
Like to see that.   

[Azim]

Yes please! 
Like to see that.   

What site do you want it for?

[Chrisbis]

Betvoyager or William Hill.

(Betvoyager is first choice, but I have an account at WH )

[Azim]

Betvoyager or William Hill.

(Betvoyager is first choice, but I have an account at WH )

I have already done William hill about a year ago.

Betvoyager will have to be play money. I can't deposit real money there. Unless someone want's to transfer a minimum of 500 units to me at a base amount of 0.10  and I will need about 100 unit's of base amount 0.01 to generate spins.

[thelaw]

I understand the issue with RNG as it is not actual Roulette.

Why not just play on a live (online) wheel and show the results? We would never be able to tell if the proof documents were forged anyway.

You could just show how to play the system.

The main issue with GUT, is this statement that comes up with every other bogus system - "it's not for everyone". Incorrect, math is for everyone, and Roulette is math, not an art form. The system may be complex, or even complicated and challenging to use, but it must be "for everyone" by definition for it to work.

Also, the "I don't gamble" response, presents questions of motivation. It may not be an issue with credibility, but the optics are just bad. If you're here with the sole purpose of just claiming to have a winning system, it's an odd situation; not necessarily wrong, just strange. It would be like someone saying they have the fastest 100 meter time on the planet, but never entering the Olympics; You'd think "huh?-that's strange-why not compete?"

Finally, regarding the "earning it/working for it" philosophy. I have never understood this. If you have a winning system, either share it, or don't. This is Winkel's system, and he's done all of the heavy lifting. Winkel has been happy to explain the bet selection, but refuses to talk about a progression for his own personal reasons, which leaves it up to the player. Admittedly, this does have a ring of Kimo to it, but he appears to happy to answer specific questions, and doesn't appear to be chasing others to discuss his material.

All that said, we all want the same thing; to find a winning system. If that's GUT, then let's start to hear about it's success in detail. Members who are winning need to come forward and share their experiences. If not, then GUT will be thrown on the pile of failed systems, which is where is resides until someone picks it out every few months to re-investigate. If there was just one........just one thread detailing the success of a single winning system with clear and straightforward answers to all questions, then this forum will have succeeded.

[Azim]

I understand the issue with RNG as it is not actual Roulette.

Why not just play on a live (online) wheel and show the results? We would never be able to tell if the proof documents were forged anyway.

You could just show how to play the system.

The main issue with GUT, is this statement that comes up with every other bogus system - "it's not for everyone". Incorrect, math is for everyone, and Roulette is math, not an art form. The system may be complex, or even complicated and challenging to use, but it must be "for everyone" by definition for it to work.

Also, the "I don't gamble" response, presents questions of motivation. It may not be an issue with credibility, but the optics are just bad. If you're here with the sole purpose of just claiming to have a winning system, it's an odd situation; not necessarily wrong, just strange. It would be like someone saying they have the fastest 100 meter time on the planet, but never entering the Olympics; You'd think "huh?-that's strange-why not compete?"

Finally, regarding the "earning it/working for it" philosophy. I have never understood this. If you have a winning system, either share it, or don't. This is Winkel's system, and he's done all of the heavy lifting. Winkel has been happy to explain the bet selection, but refuses to talk about a progression for his own personal reasons, which leaves it up to the player. Admittedly, this does have a ring of Kimo to it, but he appears to happy to answer specific questions, and doesn't appear to be chasing others to discuss his material.

All that said, we all want the same thing; to find a winning system. If that's GUT, then let's start to hear about it's success in detail. Members who are winning need to come forward and share their experiences. If not, then GUT will be thrown on the pile of failed systems, which is where is resides until someone picks it out every few months to re-investigate. If there was just one........just one thread detailing the success of a single winning system with clear and straightforward answers to all questions, then this forum will have succeeded.

Answer this for me:

You: I am thirsty where can I get water?
Me:  Follow the following direction and that will take you to a well. You can drink as much water as you want.
You:  The directions are too difficult to follow.
I take you to the well, does that mean I have to drink that water?

Answer me and decide for yourself what it is you want.

[marvin]

this forum does not necessarily need to have the general consensus definition "HOLY GRAIL" to be successful.
you, me, all members and lurkers being in this forum has already serves its purpose.
and its all thanks to those members(kimo li & winkel) whom you almost call a scammer that some people here found their own holy grail or at least satisfied on their own play.

let me ask these to you, and answer me honestly without looking at the other threads(no cheating).
1. in winkel's GUT, how many possible crossing can you get in a 0X & 1X.
2. in Kimo li  patterns, what are the what are the patterns you see in the following numbers 24,10,27,29,34,1.

 

[Tamino]

Past numbers are what they are: history  Obsolete   to be   of any value,   A  toy for the math boyzzz.

[thelaw]

this forum does not necessarily need to have the general consensus definition "HOLY GRAIL" to be successful.
you, me, all members and lurkers being in this forum has already serves its purpose.
and its all thanks to those members(kimo li & winkel) whom you almost call a scammer that some people here found their own holy grail or at least satisfied on their own play.

let me ask these to you, and answer me honestly without looking at the other threads(no cheating).
1. in winkel's GUT, how many possible crossing can you get in a 0X & 1X.
2. in Kimo li  patterns, what are the what are the patterns you see in the following numbers 24,10,27,29,34,1.

Your last two questions are designed to indicate one's knowledge of those two betting strategies, implying that someone can't judge them without studying them closely first.

So now, someone must take it upon themselves to prove these systems effectiveness (or failure), while the authors and other members make unsubstantiated claims about its success. Why is it our responsibility? Why not the authors?

For the record, I never came close to indicating or implying that Winkel's method was a scam, as he hasn't appeared to profit financially from his claims.

Here we have derailed another thread by discussing the validity of a system without actually testing it, which is why this thread was started.

I have no opinion about the GUT system, but I've also never seen someone prove/disprove it. I would love to see either one, but personally, I'm not about to travel down a potential rabbit-hole, especially when others have already gone down and don't seem to have found anything significant yet. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

To be crystal-clear: all of these claims of a "holy grail" indicate endless financial resources (within reason) for the rest of one's life. That's quite a treasure!

[thelaw]

Answer this for me:

You: I am thirsty where can I get water?
Me:  Follow the following direction and that will take you to a well. You can drink as much water as you want.
You:  The directions are too difficult to follow.
I take you to the well, does that mean I have to drink that water?

Answer me and decide for yourself what it is you want.

To use your analogy: you are claiming that there is a well, when you yourself have no water.

[1eleven]

Can we get back on track here? I just want to play some spins!

Is it shocking someone here actually plays this game without extraordinary claims?

Let's stop wasting time. Aka shut up and play.

[thelaw]

Can we get back on track here? I just want to play some spins!

Is it shocking someone here actually plays this game without extraordinary claims?

Let's stop wasting time. Aka shut up and play.

Let's do it!

How many spins do you need, and what should we expect in terms of predictions?

I'll pull them from Spielbank

[TwoCatSam]

Yes, I played the G.U.T. and loved it.  It is one of the most fun systems I've ever played.  (Is it a system?  Not sure.)  Anyway, I personally do not have the mental strength to play it correctly.  That means if I have strict rules, I cannot follow them.  I'd rather gamble than win.  I bet on a crossing too many times and create my own crossings:  "The winkel non-crossing crossing", for example.

I have the software archived and will play again sometime.

Now, is it a winning method  For a person who is dedicated and truly wants to win money, it may be.  It certainly gets a lot of wins.  The trick--and winkel says this--is to jump back to twenty quite often. 

Ok, I'm done.

Sam

[1eleven]

I'm assuming these are Euro single 0 - could we play 00, too? or does that get too confusing?

Also, I play a new game if there's a dealer change. 

Here are my numbers for the next THREE spins:

2, 9, 10, 12, 13, 16, 19, 20, 26, 29, 30, 34

Let's keep it consistent with the above. I'll aim for a hit within 3 spins with 12 numbers.

Please note as I mentioned on the other Kimo Li thread the results I expect from this are in line with probability.