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1eleven · Jul 07, 11:14 AM 2015

Quote from: RFMAXX on Jul 07, 10:24 AM 2015
got it and testing. thanks!

Have fun!

RFMAXX · Jul 07, 12:19 PM 2015

thanks 1eleven.

you mentioned 9 losses in a row. do you play the basic pinwheel strategy?
kimo wrote some time ago, that there is an expert variant playing the pinwheel
3 times. if lost switch to another pinwheel and play 3 times.

do you have the spreadsheet or more infos about the expert version?

1eleven · Jul 07, 12:35 PM 2015

Quote from: RFMAXX on Jul 07, 12:19 PM 2015
thanks 1eleven.

you mentioned 9 losses in a row. do you play the basic pinwheel strategy?
kimo wrote some time ago, that there is an expert variant playing the pinwheel
3 times. if lost switch to another pinwheel and play 3 times.

do you have the spreadsheet or more infos about the expert version?

In the example on the link Kimo Li switched immediately to the Stars that were trending. Another option may be ending the session after a miss. The last time I lost 3 sets I was switching to follow the trend. In hindsight, maybe terminating after the first loss was best.

It looked like this:
101 - Miss
020 - Miss
200 - Miss

I usually don't track more than 3-6 spins - personal preference.

Post 85# here may point you in another direction if you want to stay on one set:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15536.75

Miss - wait for 2 hits (1+ in 2 clusters) and start again.

Good luck

thelaw · Jul 07, 02:27 PM 2015

Test #1/10 :

21w
8
21w

W/L : 1/0

Spielbank Table #2 : 06.09.14
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Test #2/10 :

28w
17w
11w

W/L : 2/0

Spielbank Table #3 : 06.09.14
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Test #3/10 :

8
14
34w

W/L : 3/0

Spielbank Table #2 : 07.09.14
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Test #4/10 :

22
10w
0

W/L : 4/0

Spielbank Table #3 : 13.09.14
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Test #5/10 :

8
29w
14

W/L : 5/0

Spielbank Table #3 : 20.09.14
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Test #6/10 :

24
30
6w

W/L : 6/0

Spielbank Table #3 : 21.09.14
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Test #7/10 :

34w
18
22

W/L : 7/0

Spielbank Table #3 : 27.09.14
------------------------------------
Test #8/10 :

19
13
11

W/L : 7/1

Spielbank Table #4 : 27.09.14
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Test #9/10 :

22
26w
21

W/L : 8/1

Spielbank Table #4 : 28.09.14
------------------------------------
Test #10/10 :

5w
8w
28

W/L : 9/1

Spielbank Table #2 : 28.09.14
------------------------------------
Total out of 30 bets = 13wins/17 losses

Sooooooo close!!!

Well, this officially looks impressive. 1Eleven, feel free to share more about the system if you like.

1eleven · Jul 07, 02:45 PM 2015

Quote from: thelaw on Jul 07, 02:27 PM 2015
Test #1/10 :

21w
8
21w

W/L : 1/0

Spielbank Table #2 : 06.09.14
-----------------------------------

Test #2/10 :

28w
17w
11w

W/L : 2/0

Spielbank Table #3 : 06.09.14
----------------------------------
Test #3/10 :

8
14
34w

W/L : 3/0

Spielbank Table #2 : 07.09.14
------------------------------------
Test #4/10 :

22
10w
0

W/L : 4/0

Spielbank Table #3 : 13.09.14
------------------------------------
Test #5/10 :

8
29w
14

W/L : 5/0

Spielbank Table #3 : 20.09.14
------------------------------------
Test #6/10 :

24
30
6w

W/L : 6/0

Spielbank Table #3 : 21.09.14
------------------------------------
Test #7/10 :

34w
18
22

W/L : 7/0

Spielbank Table #3 : 27.09.14
------------------------------------
Test #8/10 :

19
13
11

W/L : 7/1

Spielbank Table #4 : 27.09.14
------------------------------------
Test #9/10 :

22
26w
21

W/L : 8/1

Spielbank Table #4 : 28.09.14
------------------------------------
Test #10/10 :

5w
8w
28

W/L : 9/1

Spielbank Table #2 : 28.09.14
------------------------------------
Total out of 30 bets = 13wins/17 losses

Sooooooo close!!!

Well, this officially looks impressive. 1Eleven, feel free to share more about the system if you like.

Man, I really wanted to sweep the board here. I realize my mistake on #8 (hindsight is 20/20, right?) The sequence was:
1-2-3
3-1-3
1-2-3
1-2-3

My guess is 1-2-3 in order like that is pretty rare 3 times out of 4. I know I was surprised when I saw it. The 3 was slightly more dominant and would have hit if I picked that. I could have swept the board.

I'll tally up the totals. Since I'm only playing for 1 hit I believe your numbers are off slightly.

Thanks - this was fun.

1eleven · Jul 07, 02:55 PM 2015

Totals:

15 hits within 31 spins = 48.39%.
Without that miss it would have been 16/29 (the other section hit first) which happens to match the last live play streak I hit of around 55%.

1eleven · Jul 07, 03:31 PM 2015

A mini-martingale (1-2-4) would have returned 480 units in this test.
15.48 units per spin.

(588 units if I didn't crap the bed on #8, for 20.27 units per spin)

A little more conservative 1-2-3 would return 396 units on the actual results for 12.77 per spin.

Of course, there are always more aggressive options.

That's enough math for me. Anyone care to calculate the edge if this were sustainable?

And, of course, is there a difference if this were applied to the dozens to simplify bet selection?

1eleven · Jul 07, 03:34 PM 2015

Going dark.

Kidding - couldn't resist!

thelaw · Jul 07, 03:38 PM 2015

Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 07, 03:31 PM 2015
A mini-martingale (1-2-4) would have returned 480 units in this test.
15.48 units per spin.

(588 units if I didn't crap the bed on #8, for 20.27 units per spin)

A little more conservative 1-2-3 would return 396 units on the actual results for 12.77 per spin.

Of course, there are always more aggressive options.

That's enough math for me. Anyone care to calculate the edge if this were sustainable?

And, of course, is there a difference if this were applied to the dozens to simplify bet selection?

I know that everyone on this board goes crazy for the HG with flat betting. Would this be profitable flat betting (I know it was in these tests!)?

1eleven · Jul 07, 03:56 PM 2015

Quote from: thelaw on Jul 07, 03:38 PM 2015
I know that everyone on this board goes crazy for the HG with flat betting. Would this be profitable flat betting (I know it was in these tests!)?

First, I would need someone to clearly define "Holy Grail"

Obviously, if you hit 12/37 this would break even flat betting. If my calculations are correct, this actual test would have resulted +168 units flat betting for 5.28 units per.

RFMAXX · Jul 07, 04:16 PM 2015

Hi thelaw.
in Mood for another Test?
I can Confirm that pinwheel works for me too - but Betting 12 Numbers gets scary sometimes.
So i tweaked it and reduce the Bet Selection to six numbers.
So please Post another 12 Number sequence and i will try to get a hit with 6 Numbers in six Spins.
Regards, Max

thelaw · Jul 07, 04:21 PM 2015

Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 07, 03:56 PM 2015
First, I would need someone to clearly define "Holy Grail"

Obviously, if you hit 12/37 this would break even flat betting. If my calculations are correct, this actual test would have resulted +168 units flat betting for 5.28 units per.

Unless you stopped after a win....

1eleven · Jul 07, 04:24 PM 2015

Quote from: thelaw on Jul 07, 04:21 PM 2015
Unless you stopped after a win....

What do you mean?

amk · Jul 07, 04:26 PM 2015

thelaw, here comes your first unworthy roulette researcher to ask you to describe your awesome method

Perhaps start a thread for your method, maybe call it "Is Kimo Li the law?"

I have no idea what playing method is being reference to or is being used.

If you could help me to catch up quickly it would be great.

thelaw · Jul 07, 04:26 PM 2015

Quote from: RFMAXX on Jul 07, 04:16 PM 2015
Hi thelaw.
in Mood for another Test?
I can Confirm that pinwheel works for me too - but Betting 12 Numbers gets scary sometimes.
So i tweaked it and reduce the Bet Selection to six numbers.
So please Post another 12 Number sequence and i will try to get a hit with 6 Numbers in six Spins.
Regards, Max

Here you go :

0
32
6
21
1
25
32
8
19
30
7
8

Good luck!

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