Holy Grail by Winkel open for discussion.

[Azim]

Post in any general question you have on GUT and I will try and answer it.

Good luck all.

[P.A]

Wow! someone chance/modify my message!
Think I should change the password!



I(Azim) am able to modify my own thread.

I(Azim) have bad news for you. If you can't follow simple rules. GUT is not for you.

[P.A]

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[iggiv]

Azim is a mod of his own thread

[marvin]

This is one of those game play that i can call a Strategy instead of a system.
Yes at first you may play mechanically where in you bet on the crossing of 0X & 1X but later on the 50th-100th spin you will have to decide which crossing you are going to use on the next spin, because there will exist a crossing of 0X & 1x or 0X  & 2X or 1X & 2X.
This is where you can see the line between the veteran and newbie of this strategy.
Most of the newbies will just reset and start tracking again resulting to longer play.

Ive read somewhere in this or other forum, a member here is just using the 8-12 nuke pattern, he is not playing every spin, he is just observing the ball movement with, he is also observing the air temp and the alignment of the planets  before he place his bet. i am not sure how he do it and i don't know if he is winning or losing what i know is he is satisfied with his game play.

I can say that winkel's GUT is one of those strategy that are not for everyone.


by the way, this is also same concept with KWTQ's CURVE the difference is that you have to observe lots of sets, be it RB, EO, HL, Dozens, streets, etc.

my 2cents

[marvin]

nottophammer,

you could be right and you could also be wrong. for discussion purposes, if the 19-18(crossing) setup is produced after 18 spins then its very likely that it will hit the 18 because it says we haven't encountered a repeat so far. , but if the 19-18(crossing) setup is produced after 27 spins then most likely the next number is a repeat.

i agree sam, these kind of strategies need to be understand thoroughly before you can even begin testing it.

problem is some people just wanted free meal, they wanted the strategy to be converted to IV. you need to provide test results, progression , bots and spreadsheets or else you will be called a scammer.

[marvin]

check out this attachment, this might be a small sample size but it is interesting to see that we have the following:
1. even in the early spins we already encountered the 1X & 2X crossing means less numbers to bet.
2. after 50 spins, the crossing are getting smaller less numbers to bet.
3. we really don't have to bet on the crossing we can also bet on the repeat, less number although more patience are needed.

 

[Azim]

Here is a video by SAM.

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9943.0

[RayManZ]

What do you guys use for tracking GUT? You need to do a lot of tracking. I used to play it a few years ago but somehow i gave up on it. I know the basics, but the tracking was alot of work.

Maybe i can build a decent tracking online using php. If i know what you guys want to track and how it must me displayed maybe i can build some handy online tool

[marvin]

am playing in a b&m casino so pen n paper for me. and yes its lots of work to do, need to be vigilant all the time. not for 90yo n above i think.

currently studying swift, i know it will be handy but i am not sure if casino will allow this kind if stuff though

[nottophammer]

Marvin
I maybe getting told off for saying this but you dont have to just bet the crossings, if you can read the trot there are bets available.

RayMan

theres the paper tracker on here i've even coloured in Winkels LOTT

Game in cambourne to night stopped at £12.20 for .20p units,think if winning 39 units jump Winkel says,i maybe wrong

[nottophammer]

Before studying GUT i used to play the 37 numbers off the Mat and used this to record.

[RayManZ]

I got the winning part. Most of the time i make a jump when i'm 30+ units ahead. That goes very well most of the times. What i don't really have under control are the losing session or sessions from hell... I keep betting wrong. I could easily lose 100+ units in no time. Every bet i'm thinking. This one will hit, it does not.

When do you make a jump for a losing session. What are the indicators? If i have that under control it's really easy to make some decent money.

[nottophammer]

RayMan
do you play just GUT or do you watch the trot where you can pick up other bets.

[RayManZ]

i just play gut. I know you got alot of other stats for your play but i cant follow anything you are doing. It's all magic to me with alot of terms and stats you use and i don't know.