Holy Grail by Winkel open for discussion.

[falkor2k15]

Yeah winkel is right: there isn't a strict limit defined for crossings but they do have to happen within a certain window - and each crossing is dependent upon previous crossings.

[Parisd]

everybody is looking for a reason to bet. And this bet is meant to win. But why?

If you bet any sleepers you will win by chance or lose due to the odds.

As the numbers drop in they form that lines in the graphs. And one thing is for sure. They will have to cross!
so at the point of 19vs18 we can predict, that the lines will cross, sooner or later. And that is the reason that we start to bet.

If you bet any numbers at any point there is no such reason that they should appear.

Winkel, I still dont have the justification why to bet exactly at crossing. Off course it is a sure thing that soon or later the lines will cross, eg 19-18 will become 18-19 same as it is also a sure thing that soon or later 27-10 will become 26-11, but why wait for 19-18 when I sure have a better chance earlier in one single bet to bet on an unhit.

In fact 36-1 is the best moment to bet once to get an unhit (move to 35-2) return is low unfortunately.

My question is still unanswered

[winkel]

As long as you stick at the very first possible crossing, you won´t get the facts.

I said this crossing shouldn´t be bet.

Take another crossing and add more lines to it. 0, 1, 2, 3, >1, >2, >3 then you will see and understand what I meant.

[Parisd]

As long as you stick at the very first possible crossing, you won´t get the facts.

I said this crossing shouldn´t be bet.

Take another crossing and add more lines to it. 0, 1, 2, 3, >1, >2, >3 then you will see and understand what I meant.

So this bring back my second question on this thread dated 14 of march;
Also watching to 2catsam youtube video, he is using a tracking software, he is betting at 2-2 on the hit twice and hit three times.
It probably took multiple spins to have 2 of the twice hit to reach 3 times hit, why suddenly bet on that last 2 hit twice assuming one of them will be hit three times, again I dont see a high probability nor do I get the rational behing this (ok I can bet 18 times on this one if I wish) but unless the roulette is biased which would explain why these 2 numbers are being hit multiple times, I could bet 18 times on any 2 others numbers

[Madi]

19vs 18 not suggested to bet . Ok lets see why u bet this? Say u bet 34vs 3 . Better chance ? Yes. But risk reward is not satisfactory. U can also lose at that point even two times even three times. Say u lose 2 times. 68 unit gone. Stop playing start again. Now u bet 34vs3. U win. But little. Lets see 19vs 18. After analyzing trot u decided bet on it. U lose first bet. Now it become 19vs17 and then 18vs 18. U bet lose again. U total loss 37 unit . Stop playing start again. Bet again 19vs 18 with 1 unit or 2 unit each number. U will see the difference. Same thing if 16vs16 then 16vs 15. U will get 2 chance if win u in profit. 10vs 9 will get three chance to recover. But ur 36vs 1 risk reward is low. Hope u got the answer

[falkor2k15]

19vs 18 not suggested to bet . Ok lets see why u bet this? Say u bet 34vs 3 . Better chance ? Yes. But risk reward is not satisfactory. U can also lose at that point even two times even three times. Say u lose 2 times. 68 unit gone. Stop playing start again. Now u bet 34vs3. U win. But little. Lets see 19vs 18. After analyzing trot u decided bet on it. U lose first bet. Now it become 19vs17 and then 18vs 18. U bet lose again. U total loss 37 unit . Stop playing start again. Bet again 19vs 18 with 1 unit or 2 unit each number. U will see the difference. Same thing if 16vs16 then 16vs 15. U will get 2 chance if win u in profit. 10vs 9 will get three chance to recover. But ur 36vs 1 risk reward is low. Hope u got the answer

U r looking at the crossings independently - but they r all dependent on each other.

[Madi]

Can u explain it in simple word ?

[falkor2k15]

Can u explain it in simple word ?

As winkel once said in so many words: if one crossing doesn't cross then others will!

[Madi]

Thats right. We have to play all the crossing.

[falkor2k15]

Thats right. We have to play all the crossing.

And what happens with one crossing will have some effect on what happens with the next crossings. But I think that's outside the scope of the ebook.

[Madi]

Sorry falkor i have no idea about ebook. I just read the winkles post and other discussion.but i can remember winkle said if one doesnt other will cross

[winkel]

So this bring back my second question on this thread dated 14 of march;
Also watching to 2catsam youtube video, he is using a tracking software, he is betting at 2-2 on the hit twice and hit three times.
It probably took multiple spins to have 2 of the twice hit to reach 3 times hit, why suddenly bet on that last 2 hit twice assuming one of them will be hit three times, again I dont see a high probability nor do I get the rational behing this (ok I can bet 18 times on this one if I wish) but unless the roulette is biased which would explain why these 2 numbers are being hit multiple times, I could bet 18 times on any 2 others numbers

He bet this 2vs2 because it is a crossing. He did bet it despite of me saying: Don´t bet before spin 25. (betting other spins beside crossing was to be explained. But I stopped to explain further possibilities because of to much hate-postings)
And you don´t bet 18 times these 2 numbers because when the crossing disappears you´ll have to stop betting.
The wheel doesn´t have to be biased to to happen that win. I saw several time the same number to hit 3 or 4 Times in the first spins.

[winkel]

Ok lets see why u bet this? Say u bet 34vs 3 . Better chance ? Yes. But risk reward is not satisfactory.

I don´t bet these combinations. So it is absurd to dicuss such matter.

[winkel]

And what happens with one crossing will have some effect on what happens with the next crossings. But I think that's outside the scope of the ebook.

Nothing effects nothing in Roulette. No crossing any other crossing. A crossing appears due to permutation of the single spins. There can´t be no crossing! And there can´t be no crossing to hit.
And I just try to make an educated guess whether this crossing is to hit or not.

[Madi]

Mr winkle,

Show us some more. At least we learn something.doesnt have to be grail.Haters will hate we cant stop them . Why dont you think about the lovers. Lovers are still there thats why people ask questions after 8 years. I personally learnt a lot from trot analysis .cheers