You will not find a better betting "plan" than this

[MrJ]

This is NOT a method, lets get that out of the way. Its the best way to bet TWO numbers. For what reasons you choose your 2 numbers, thats up to you. I use 2 hot numbers but its more complicated than just that (long story). Anyways, do NOT try and change this. It works very well as long as your bet selection of the 2 numbers is well thought out !!!!

Its from 1 thru 8 units. To make this easier, we'll say its nickels.

My starting point is at 3 units. So $15 & $15 (2 numbers). Each session loss is 15 losing spins. This is CLOSE to up on a win and down on a loss but its MORE THOUGHT out from my trial & error sessions, this is what I came up with >> on a win, you are done with that unit size and its up one. Lets say on the first spin of starting, you get a hit. Next session immediately is 4 & 4, $20 & $20.

On a losing session (after 15) its down two levels but not in every situation. Here is the chart of where to go after a losing session >>

level lost       down to
-----------       ----------
2                    1
3                    1
4                    2
5                    3
6                    4
7                    3
8                    3

Important rule for level 8.....a win OR loss, down to level 3. Thats correct, if you get a win, DOWN TO 3 !!!!!! A bad run of your numbers? Lets say you get knocked all the way down to level 1. You lose all 15 spins, there is no level under 1. You do another 15 spins (30 total) and still no win. No more betting but you do virtual bets. You need 2 virtual wins (of your method) in order to start back up again (at level one, not 3). Also notice, a loss at 7. No going down to 5, go down to 3.

Like I said, if your bet selection (2 numbers) kicks a**, and you use this info, you should do VERY WELL.

Ken

[Chrisbis]

Hi Ken.
If the unfortunate happened, and you lost all 15 spins,
how much would you have lost (or invested in the Casino)?

[MrJ]

Its not a maybe, 100% for sure you will lose within 15 spins, its how you handle it that counts.

I lose many sessions during my playing time at the casino. Your BET SELECTION I can not help people with. Why? People here are STUCK in their ways regarding how many numbers to play AND why to play them.

We all have different unit sizes so I cant answer how much YOU would lose per 15. I'm not sure how much experience you have with this type of betting. We'll pick a level......you lost on level 7. Thats a lot of money but the ONLY WAY you could of got to level 7 is by winning on the PREVIOUS levels, so a loss kind of takes care of itself. Remember, up a level IMMEDIATELY after a win. Its also why I made the rule on level 8. Lets say you lose on 8. Down to 6 and lose..down to 4 and lose..down to 2 and lose? *NOPE* (thats how most would play it)

If you WIN or LOSE on 8, down to 3. I want the wins to cover the losses and the losses to cover the wins.

Ken

[Chrisbis]

Quite a lot of experience with this type of betting Ken.....tho I currently bet 5 inside numbers.
I know it brings the pay off down to just over 7:1 which is almost a Corner bet, but better than a Six line bet.


I play hot sectors, mostly guessing which section of the wheel is going to hit next each spin (although I don't bet every spin),
and 'move' the bet around a little.
Only ever flat stakes.....no crazy progression lists for me any more! 

I was interested to see your take on betting two inside numbers.

Of course.....you are playing on a real man-made wheel......I'm playing on a virtual man-programmed GUI ! lol

[MrJ]

Hey guys, I deleted this topic but Steve brought it back from the dead (thanks Steve). I felt it got LITTLE interest so I zapped it (too early I guess). Any questions, just ask me.

Ken

[Tomla021]

no this looked like a really smart prog .....thanks ken

[MrJ]

I'm not real sure if I agree with...its a progression.

I guess it depends on the definition. Yes, the bets go up and down, I understand. Thanks for your post, I do very well with this type of betting (for 2 numbers).

Ken

[Wally Gator]

Thanks for bringing this back!!  It does, indeed, do well with a good 2 number selection.  I like it.  Thanks!

[MrJ]

I do have a bit more IN DEPTH situations for this if anyone is interested, let me know please. I type slow and have little free time, I wanted to ask ya'll first.

Ken

[JimmieB]

Hi Ken,

Thanks for bringing this back, and yes I'd be interested in details of the situations, I was wondering if it would work well with some of the previous methods you've posted betting on 2 numbers...??

Jim

[vladir]

I'm interested. The question that botehrs me is, what 2 number selection is good enough to give us an advantage using this? Maybe we could try different sellections and see if any of them performs better, or, if any performs better in some conditions...

- The last 2 hit numbers;
- The 2 neighbour numbers of the last spun number;
- The 2 numbers that would complete a street of the last hit number (no play if zero was last number)

Any others?

[JimmieB]

I tested 3 games today using Ken's Onion Method, which bets 2 numbers only, where I was betting 40 spins each session (the original is based on 80), all 3 sessions won, each session giving me 121, 114, and 159 units respectively. In one of the games I was up 330 units after 12 spins, as I had 3 wins in that time, very lucky, I know, in a real scenario, I would have walked after that the 12th spin...I appreciate 3 games is nothing, however, thought it worth sharing, will do some more testing.

Also, the reason why I didn't bet the other 40 was due not being able to decide whether to start off from level 3 for the next 40, or continue with the level I was on, for example, say at spin 40 I'm at level 5, spin 6, do I start my next 40 spins at level 5 spin 7, I'm not sure if I've got a reasonable profit after the initial 40, in my opinion, session over....??

Jim

[Wally Gator]

Similar to others, it's important to take advantage of the profit on this one when you're at the 5+ level and have hit 3 consecutive in those 15 spins.  At least, that's what I'm finding.  There will always be those times where we cycle down, so jumping off at the right time can be beneficial and profitable.  That said, Ken may have an even better 2 number selection method for us to consider.  This is a keeper.

[MrJ]

Like I stated, your bet selection for the 2 numbers is the KEY (and a decent BR).

As promised, a few other "what ifs", I'll post more as I remember them (lol). You must have *ALL* what ifs covered AT HOME before heading to the casino. Any info I post is for casino play, I have no comment on RNG. Follow my rules and for the love of God, dont try and change them. Why? Because I know more than you do.

You just got a win, CONGRATS!! Time to go up a level (except on level eight). After a win, I always re-bet that number. Nothing worse than a back to back and you are NOT on it. Lets say you were on level 6 at the time of the win, #31. You re-bet that 31 and the other 2 numbers from your method, a rare moment of betting 3 numbers. The 31 hits again. That re-bet win DOES count for moving up levels.

So, you were on 6...a hit so now on 7. A back to back win (#31), now on level 8. Easy to understand. Its possible (lets say you are playing hot numbers) the 31 IS PART of your method regardless, so you would only be playing 2 numbers after that win. It really depends on what your method entails.

MORE.......There are three groups of min bets at the table I want to talk about.

A) a $25 min bet.....do not play at that table due to the mins will ruin my level 1.

B) a $10 (or less) min bet.....on our lowest level (one), go the two rounds. 15 spins per, 30 total possible losing spins. No win yet? As I have posted, at that point, STOP betting until you have 2 virtual wins. Then start back up, level 1.

C) a $15 min bet......on our lowest level (one), go ONE round. 15 losing spins total. No win yet? At that point, STOP betting until you have 2 virtual wins. Then start back up, level 1.

Please note the difference between B and C.

Also, a $15 min bet.......you can still play at level 1 which would be $5 and $5. How? Pick a DS and put $5 on it. Make sure it is within one of our bets. Best case....both numbers are in the DS. Meaning, our two numbers are the 11 & 15. Bet the 10-15 DS. If we get a win on a number but not one of our two, it does NOT count as moving up. Meaning, the 13 hit in our DS, it still counts as a loss.

Ken

[MrJ]

We all know winning streaks end, its a certainty. That is why I INSIST not going past level 8 after a win (down to 3). Think about it.....so we started at level 3 (but might of been at 1 or 2), level 3...win,
4...win, 5...win, 6...win, 7...win, 8...win. *DO NOT PUSH IT* !!!! drop to 3.

Besides, if you get another hit/win, level 3 is not exactly bad and now up to 4 again. Go UP according to my chart and go DOWN according to my chart.....pretty please with sugar on top.

Ken