Vaddis Holy Grail

[nichedelico]

BBB / Proof   

I was working on Winner's 'Beating the Even Money' last weekend, and I noticed Ben posted this chart, showing some fairly impressive results (800 units from 1000 spins!). I felt I was making no progress deciphering Winners staking system (and getting frustrated), so I decided to run a few tests of this system myself.

I followed the basic rules which Ben described in an earlier post, but with some very minor modifications.

My modifications:
Following Ben's original rules, there isn't always the opportunity to put two units on each spin. Example:
First spin: #3. Bet numbers 2-4.
Second spin: #18. Bet numbers 2-4, 17-19.
Third spin: #20. Bet numbers 2-4, 17-19, 20-21 (19 was taken, so bet #20)
Fourth spin: #33. Bet numbers 2-4, 17-19, 20-21, 32-34, etc....

Reset when you get a hit, whether in profit or loss. Record the result. Start again.

TABLE OF HITS
If a hit occurs on 2nd spin    +34 units
If a hit occurs on 3rd spin    +30 units
If a hit occurs on 4th spin    +24 units
If a hit occurs on 5th spin    +16 units
If a hit occurs on 6th Spin    +6  units
If a hit occurs on 7th spin    -6  units
If a hit occurs on 8th spin    -20 units
If a hit occurs on 9th spin    -36 units
If a hit occurs on 10th spin   -54 units
If a hit occurs on 11th spin   -74 units
If a hit occurs on 12th spin   -96 units (This never occurred during the 1000 spin test)

All tests were carried out on my roulette simulator.

All credit to BBB and Proof  .

Jono




The chart shows a result similar to Ben's. 1000 spins with a profit of +927 units. All flat bet.

Jono your first bet is when we have a repeat like BBB rules? Thanks!!

[jono1167]

Jono your first bet is when we have a repeat like BBB rules? Thanks!!

Don't thank me, thank BBB and Proof . Keep testing. I reckon you could make a few more minor modifications for even better results. 

[jono1167]

Jono your first bet is when we have a repeat like BBB rules? Thanks!!

Sorry Nichedelico, I just re-read your post. After a hit, I record the results, I then do a fresh spin, and begin from that number. No need to wait for a repeat. Very simple. Let us know how you go....

Thanks Nichedelico

[Proofreaders2000]

I am going to try a tweak on Bigbroben's original formula
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Track the last 12 outcomes.  Note the newest repeat single.

Bet the newest two outcomes and two chips on the
newest repeater.  Adjust the bet with each new outcome.

Stop on a win or after nine consecutive misses.

Example: 12,0,13,9,28,7,9,29,3,31,2,18 (newest spin-value)

Bet two chips on #9, one chip on 2,18 once:    1.) 35(x)-4

Bet 9,9,18,35 once:    2.) 28(x)-4

Bet 28,28,18,35 once....

[Proofreaders2000]

v.01
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Track the last 12 outcomes.  Note the newest repeat single.

Bet the newest three outcomes and one chip on the
newest repeater.  Adjust the bet with each new outcome.

Example: 12,9,30,4,7,8,29,3,4,1,35,0 (newest spin-value)

Bet 4,1,35,0 once:    1.) 3(x)-4

Bet 3,1,35,0 once....

[Proofreaders2000]

v.02
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Track the last 12 outcomes.  Note the newest repeat single.

Bet the newest outcome and its Vaddi pair and the
newest repeat single and it's Vaddi pair (four numbers in play).

Stop on a win or after 12 consecutive misses.

Example: 12,31,0,15,3,29,23,0,22,1,33,9 (newest spin-value)

Bet 0,1 & 9,10:    1.) 29(x)-4

Bet 29,30 & 9,10....

[The General]

And why should that work better than just guessing?  Where's the logic?

[Irish88]

BBB / Proof   

I was working on Winner's 'Beating the Even Money' last weekend, and I noticed Ben posted this chart, showing some fairly impressive results (800 units from 1000 spins!). I felt I was making no progress deciphering Winners staking system (and getting frustrated), so I decided to run a few tests of this system myself.

I followed the basic rules which Ben described in an earlier post, but with some very minor modifications.

My modifications:
Following Ben's original rules, there isn't always the opportunity to put two units on each spin. Example:
First spin: #3. Bet numbers 2-4.
Second spin: #18. Bet numbers 2-4, 17-19.
Third spin: #20. Bet numbers 2-4, 17-19, 20-21 (19 was taken, so bet #20)
Fourth spin: #33. Bet numbers 2-4, 17-19, 20-21, 32-34, etc....

Reset when you get a hit, whether in profit or loss. Record the result. Start again.

TABLE OF HITS
If a hit occurs on 2nd spin    +34 units
If a hit occurs on 3rd spin    +30 units
If a hit occurs on 4th spin    +24 units
If a hit occurs on 5th spin    +16 units
If a hit occurs on 6th Spin    +6  units
If a hit occurs on 7th spin    -6  units
If a hit occurs on 8th spin    -20 units
If a hit occurs on 9th spin    -36 units
If a hit occurs on 10th spin   -54 units
If a hit occurs on 11th spin   -74 units
If a hit occurs on 12th spin   -96 units (This never occurred during the 1000 spin test)

All tests were carried out on my roulette simulator.

All credit to BBB and Proof  .

Jono




The chart shows a result similar to Ben's. 1000 spins with a profit of +927 units. All flat bet.

Jono,

As you are playing and you get a repeat, how would you bet?

So 23 hit play 22 and 24
15 hit add 14 and 16
23 hit again....would you now add 21 and 25?

[Bigbroben]

And why should that work better than just guessing?  Where's the logic?

There is none!  It's magic!  You gotta believe it  before to see it.

[Bigbroben]

Good job BBB.
Surely this warrants some of your excel magic

Gawsh no!  Would not want to break the spell...

I would not know exactly how to do it.

[Bigbroben]

Don't thank me, thank BBB and Proof . Keep testing. I reckon you could make a few more minor modifications for even better results.

Jono,
Glad your test showed good results.  Thanks for testing and tweaking.

[Bigbroben]

800 spins,  somewhat flat, tanked a bit but held.  +346u. This is a rollercoaster...
I noticed again sometimes I'd be 1 spin behind, the nr I was about to put just hit.  Irritating...
Sometimes the neighbours would hit.  Could be tweaked about this.

Anyway, was heading for the last sprint but RS flushed it!  Damn...

[Bigbroben]

Great testing BBB. Are you doing It by hand? Wish I could code. I usually get tired after 50-100 spins of testing. Don't have the patience or time.

I dont get tired of it yet.  Sometimes it's fun to "play" the game instead of coding formulas...

[jono1167]

Jono,

As you are playing and you get a repeat, how would you bet?

So 23 hit play 22 and 24
15 hit add 14 and 16
23 hit again....would you now add 21 and 25?

Irish, good question, let me clarify. For the completed test, this is the rule I followed... I will expand your example so it's clear....

First spin: Hit #23. Bet numbers 22-24.
Second spin: Hit #15. Bet numbers 22-24, 14-16.
Third spin: Hit #31. Bet numbers 22-24, 14-16, 30-32.
Fourth spin: Hit#8. Bet numbers 22-24, 14-16, 30-32, 7-9.
Fifth spin: Hit #23 (Repeat). Bet numbers 22-(23)-24, 14-(15)-16, 30-32, 7-9.

My rule is that I have to add two numbers every spin. Because 23 repeated, I bet 23. Then I bet the second earliest number 15.

Let me know if this isn't clear.....

Having just explained all of that, I believe this is the part of the system which could easily be tweaked. I'll post what I have in mind tomorrow, however, for the sake of keeping the testing consistent, stick to this rule. It has obviously worked pretty well so far....!

Thanks Irish

[Bigbroben]

Jono, on the chart you posted, what was your nr source?