Vaddis Holy Grail

[Bigbroben]

Thanks for testing, guys.  It takes time...

[Elite]

When I look at the real wheel I see #20 and #33 next to the #1.When I look at the roulette table I see #0 and #2 next to the #1.and at the casino croupier is not turning roulette table .Any time I see him/her turning something   it will be the wheel .

HI Kanam,
I think logic behind for table is, on roulette  wheel numbers are random to us.but table numbers are random to wheel.So as wheel playing random game to us we playing random game to wheel. Balance. point, my view only

[Firefox]

When I look at the real wheel I see #20 and #33 next to the #1.When I look at the roulette table I see #0 and #2 next to the #1.and at the casino croupier is not turning roulette table .Any time I see him/her turning something   it will be the wheel .

This is correct. If you want to pair numbers think of numbers that are close together on the wheel, not necessarily numerically. But numbers like 28 & 29 , 8 & 10 , 2 & 4 are both close numerically and on the wheel.

Then you want to see what the previous number was and what the spin direction was and what the rotor speed was.

For example if he spins 28  from the 13 area with clockwise ball, he's a better  chance of  spinning 29  from the same area with clockwise ball and similar rotor speed if you think his rotors and balls are very consistent. Also one or two pin game with consistent scatters are needed.

But it's not because 29 follows 28 numerically. They are just tags for pockets in the same area. You could call them A and B, and the principle is the same.

Basically, a very crude form of DS, but if you are  pairing numbers, may as well have some logic behind it.

[Kan@am@]

I did some testing on betting just neighbours  as well and found out that sometimes there is no hit for about 15-17 times .These unlucky streaks will take you very deep don't with your bank.

[Turkish4]

This is correct. If you want to pair numbers think of numbers that are close together on the wheel, not necessarily numerically. But numbers like 28 & 29 , 8 & 10 , 2 & 4 are both close numerically and on the wheel.

Then you want to see what the previous number was and what the spin direction was and what the rotor speed was.

For example if he spins 28  from the 13 area with clockwise ball, he's a better  chance of  spinning 29  from the same area with clockwise ball and similar rotor speed if you think his rotors and balls are very consistent. Also one or two pin game with consistent scatters are needed.

But it's not because 29 follows 28 numerically. They are just tags for pockets in the same area. You could call them A and B, and the principle is the same.

Basically, a very crude form of DS, but if you are  pairing numbers, may as well have some logic behind it.

I’ve though about this as well. You’re basically left with
0/3
8/11
28/29

So you can structure your bets:
Zero-spiel (bet one chip on 26, one chip on 0/3, one chip on 32/32, one chip on 12/15)

Tiers (bet one chip on 30, one chip on 8/11, half a chip on 23 and 36)

Lastly one chip on 7, one chip on 28/29, half chip on 12/18

Just means you’re focusing on 7,26,30 and if they don’t come then you suffer in the Long run

[Elite]

today session, starting 301units , finsih 392..max reach 435(point stop or reset but mistake)  max low is 277 . spins played 27

all lst 5 sessions. in one week
1st session=start 200 finish 252 (max reach 278)

2nd=start 200 finsih 201  max reach 280
3rd =start 200 finish 201 max reach 282
4th= start 240 finsih 301 . max reach 305
5th =start 301  finsih 392 max reach 435

base units .50  to 2 based on gameflow

[Firefox]

@Turkish 4  It can relate to any two numbers close together on the wheel  including a repeater.

Say for example 0 comes up twice in 5 spins. The first time the previous winning number was 10. The second time the previous winning number was 24. Both times they were clockwise spins, both times rotor speed was 3.5 secs per rev. So we know next time he is spinning from  the bottom of the wheel 0 or neighbours are worthy of being on our list. We can wait till he throws the rotor and clock the speed to see if it's around 3.5 before betting.

However, if the first time zero won, the previous winner was 22 with cw rotor of 4 secs, and second time previous winner was 2 with acw rotor of 3 seconds then the fact that zero repeated was just random.

So by all means have it on the list if that's the system, but in this case it's pretty arbitrary. The point being unless you watch the dealer and record what he's doing, you're not taking advantage of any possible reasons for repeats. Sometimes repeats will be just random, but sometimes there's common reasons behind them.

Some dealers are def worth watching in this respect, while others are so random, one may as well not bother to record any aspects of their spins.

[Elite]

HI Passion thanks for info, hope to hear  more on  24/8 ,12/3 and pairing, is pairing should be sequencial or how ,  thanks man

[Bigbroben]

Breakdown of the data.
See totals below.
A hit after 2 spins occurred 4 times (136 units total)
A hit after 3 spins occurred 11 times (330 units total)
A hit after 4 spins occurred 15 times (360 units total)
A hit after 5 spins occurred 17 times (272 units total)
A hit after 6 spins occurred 16 times (96 units total)
A hit after 7 spins occurred 9 times (-36 units total)
A hit after 8 spins occurred 7 times (-140 units total)
A hit after 9 spins occurred 5 times (-180 units total)
A hit after 10 spins occurred 4 times (-216 units total)
A hit after 11 spins occurred 2 times (-148 units total)
A hit after 12 spins occurred 0 times
A hit after 13 spins occurred 0 times
A hit after 14 spins occurred 0 times

Would be fun to see the proportion of +pair vs. -pair...

[Still]

Well done Buffalo - I had you down for about 102 units of profit.

688 units profit minus 586 units loss = 102 units.

Roughly 300 spins and 100 units profit sounds correct.

Hmm.  I've got BF down for 506 on that run.   

2   7   238
3   7   210
4   9   216
5   5   80
6   10   60
7   6   -24
8   1   -20
9   2   -72
10   2   -108
11   1   -74

[Herby]

Would be fun to see the proportion of +pair vs. -pair...

Hi BBB,
can you give a short example for +pair , -pair  ?
Tnx

[Still]

Hmm.  I've got BF down for 506 on that run.   

2   7   238
3   7   210
4   9   216
5   5   80
6   10   60
7   6   -24
8   1   -20
9   2   -72
10   2   -108
11   1   -74

Correction:
BuffaloWizard's "Win on spin 1" is the same as Jono's "Win after two spins".  So it got a little confusing.  New calculations show a +200 units on that same run, in about 300 spins, with a high of 300 units. 

      0
5   6   6
2   30   36
4   16   52
9   -54   -2
5   6   4
1   34   38
2   30   68
7   -20   48
6   -4   44
6   -4   40
9   -54   -14
7   -20   -34
6   -4   -38
6   -4   -42
4   16   -26
6   -4   -30
7   -20   -50
7   -20   -70
6   -4   -74
3   24   -50
4   16   -34
7   -20   -54
1   34   -20
3   24   4
2   30   34
2   30   64
10   -74   -10
5   6   -4
7   -20   -24
6   -4   -28
1   34   6
8   -36   -30
3   24   -6
3   24   18
2   30   48
5   6   54
3   24   78
4   16   94
4   16   110
6   -4   106
3   24   130
3   24   154
4   16   170
4   16   186
2   30   216
1   34   250
4   16   266
2   30   296
11   -74   222
10   -74   148
1   34   182
6   -4   178
4   16   194
5   6   200

[jono1167]

Correction:
BuffaloWizard's "Win on spin 1" is the same as Jono's "Win after two spins".  So it got a little confusing.  New calculations show a +200 units on that same run, in about 300 spins, with a high of 300 units.

Good work Still. I was quite confused but I decided to go with the lesser figure.

Sorry, I should clarify, after a win, I always put through a blank spin, get the result and then commence betting. The 'blank spin' I count as spin one. A win on spin two means +34 units etc....

See table below

If a hit occurs on 2nd spin    +34 units   
If a hit occurs on 3rd spin    +30 units   
If a hit occurs on 4th spin    +24 units   
If a hit occurs on 5th spin    +16 units   
If a hit occurs on 6th Spin    +6  units   
If a hit occurs on 7th spin    -6  units     
If a hit occurs on 8th spin    -20 units   
If a hit occurs on 9th spin    -36 units
If a hit occurs on 10th spin   -54 units
If a hit occurs on 11th spin   -74 units
If a hit occurs on 12th spin   -96 units (Never gone past spin 12)
If a hit occurs on 13th spin   -120 units (Never occurred)
If a hit occurs on 14th spin   -146 units (Never occurred)

[Still]

Well done Buffalo - I had you down for about 102 units of profit.

688 units profit minus 586 units loss = 102 units.

Yikes.  Newest correction: 178 units as it looks like BW went up to 12 steps that i had not figured in the lookup table yet.  A high of 296.

[Bigbroben]

Hi BBB,
can you give a short example for +pair , -pair  ?
Tnx

Ok, 14 hits.  Put 1u on 13 and 15.  How often is it 15 (pair+), how often is it 13 ( pair-) that hits?