Vaddis Holy Grail

[6th-sense]

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[jono1167]

What if you did the stepped process with the wheel neighbors? One you get to 16 numbers, if it misses you drop the furthest back pair. So you are betting 16 numbers till a new high or break even. Then reset.

American wheel
7-play 11-20
13-play 1-36

I have been testing this way and it seems to do well. I am just thinking about how Vaddi says bet each number 8 times. So once it reaches the 9th position on the marquee you drop that number pair.

I like this idea Irish. I will test it on the weekend.

[nottophammer]

Good luck placing 8 unique and their pairs from the wheel to the actual mat. What happens when a pocket is already taken, and the next pocket has been taken to; you'll lose count where you are.

4 unique and pairs is okay but 8 and pairs good luck

[jono1167]

Ok thanks for the data.  Those 142 spins settled at -180 with a low of -208.   

It does seem to help a little to cut off betting after 7-9 steps.  That would have settled these spins at around -130, and would have helped the previous set up to +219.   

These 142 spin results however do appear to be within the expected drawdown parameters going by some of Jono's results.

Still and Buffalo

142 spins for -180 loss is within the boundaries of my test on the 25th of February (chart below). This system does give losses. However, as long as the losses aren't too catastrophic... Hopefully the wins compensate for the losses..... This remains to be seen. As I said yesterday, we've only scraped the surface with the testing. 

We can keep experimenting with small improvements / tweaks. For example, I like Irish's idea of going with a max of eight pairs.

Thanks

[nottophammer]

It's like playing granps on the wheel; the 9 numbers to be bet from the wheel are to be placed on true position on mat gets hectic with 30 seconds

[Shogun]

I have been testing many variations with wheel neighbors. 
Flat, progressions, two wheel neighbors and four wheel neighbors. Can’t get anything to work consistently. Usually get off to a very good start and then fail.
So I expect some of the tests done here to go the same way.

Only thing is I tested with Rx Rng.
Now to re-do all my test with real spin data.

Thanks for the spins 6th will be a great help.

[jono1167]

Ok, so i went ahead and used RANDBETWEEN() data from Excel just to test this and i examined 33,000 spins for a total sum of 378, or 3.6 units per 314 spin session (105 sessions).  This was where i was cutting off betting after 8 steps, because when i started testing the 12 steps it appeared to be random for the first 3k spins or ten sessions.  The good news, if any, is that based on the volume of betting going into it, there should be a loss of 5,000 units for these 33k spins (based on total volume x 2.7% house edge).    So maybe there's something to this, and maybe it could be used for comps.   

Sorry Still, were you making a profit of 3.6 units every 314 spins? Is that correct?

[Still]

Still and Buffalo

142 spins for -180 loss is within the boundaries of my test on the 25th of February (chart below). This system does give losses. However, as long as the losses aren't too catastrophic... Hopefully the wins compensate for the losses..... This remains to be seen. As I said yesterday, we've only scraped the surface with the testing. 

We can keep experimenting with small improvements / tweaks. For example, I like Irish's idea of going with a max of eight pairs.

Thanks

Ok i did another test on 32,000 spins over 105 sessions of 314 spins each using RandBetween(0,36) in Excel.   But this time i shifted my lookup tables to try to mimic wheel action by picking the next bets with an 18 number phase shift.  In theory this would more evenly distribute the next bets (on the sleepers) between 0 and 36.   

This test resulted almost identical to the prior test.  An average gain of 3.47 units per 314 spin session for a total sum of 364.   This, again, is with 8 steps, where betting stops after the 8 steps and a few ghost spins go by to see when to start again.   Again, this test should have lost about 5000 units. 

So perhaps there is more power in the number of steps/bets than in picking the location of the next bet on sleepers. 

Just to be clear, this test does not include singles (betting on numbers already hit).  It only bets on sleepers relative to what numbers have already hit.   

[Still]

Sorry Still, were you making a profit of 3.6 units every 314 spins? Is that correct?

That is correct.  See similar results from similar test in my prior post.  3.47 units gain per 314 spins...105 sessions altogether both tests.  Should lose about 48 units per 314 spins, just averaging the numbers i've seen for that stat.

[jono1167]

Ok i did another test on 32,000 spins over 105 sessions of 314 spins each using RandBetween(0,36) in Excel.   But this time i shifted my lookup tables to try to mimic wheel action by picking the next bets with an 18 number phase shift.  In theory this would more evenly distribute the next bets (on the sleepers) between 0 and 36.   

This test resulted almost identical to the prior test.  An average gain of 3.47 units per 314 spin session for a total sum of 364.   This, again, is with 8 steps, where betting stops after the 8 steps and a few ghost spins go by to see when to start again.   Again, this test should have lost about 5000 units. 

So perhaps there is more power in the number of steps/bets than in picking the location of the next bet on sleepers. 

Just to be clear, this test does not include singles (betting on numbers already hit).  It only bets on sleepers relative to what numbers have already hit.

Really interesting data Still..... something to think about.

I'm going to test a few more ideas this weekend to see what happens. Hopefully some more experienced members than me can check out your data and give us their opinion.

Thanks for all the testing / feedback Still - it's appreciated.

[jono1167]

You guys are doing such great work in this thread lately, can't thank you enough for all of your efforts.  Very interesting to say the least, it feels to me that the approach on the whole is closer than we've ever been because for once the more analytical members are staying focused on what David actually said instead of going off on wild tangents.

It's actually made me a bit concerned that one of you already HAS gotten to 90%+ of the central idea at play in his method and possibly have disqualified it due to testing with RNG-based numbers.

If you're using Excel as your base test platform, make sure you're doing it with numbers you're inputting from downloaded spins from single tables, single wheels, single days.   

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The General also is a great source of spins, particularly 00-Wheel spins from single tables, single days at American casinos, feel free to contact him as he's happy to provide them (shocking to some of you I'm sure, but he's always willing to help destroy fallacy systems, which is what he considers all of these endeavors...  ).

If you're using RS as your base testing platform, or the high quality of Random.org's RNG, I'm not sure how you're ever going to get the result you're after.  It's all about the wheel to me, has nothing to do with the table, and all of the table hints in Vaddi's thread were just one of the false paths he installed to protect the method.

The pairs, the splits, everything he details, is about the wheel.  The table is an artificial construct, it has no impact on play, which is why no street or quad or line or split-based table method has ever been talked about as being a grail by the "celebrity" posters (Vaddi, Turbo, Dyksexlic, 6th-Sense, etc).

The few people I know who ARE winning with real money over an extended period of time are not using table-based methods,  all of them utilize whatever the wheel is showing them at that particular moment to determine their play.

Keep up the great work here, it's so interesting to see how all of your sharp minds are approaching a single problem.  Love it! 

Hi Mako

Notto said to ask you about your old drinking vessel spins 1-10, believe he said easy 100 units....

Something you can help us out with?

[Still]

1 million live spins..too big to upload so you will have to download
link:://:.mediafire.com/file/j383vx8aijokdf9/1.Million.Live.Roulette.Spins.Casino.Wiesbaden.txt/file

Thanks for the Wiesbaden spins.  So far, over the 900 or so spins i've looked at,  each of three sessions has lost, but within tolerances of my Rng tests.   So this could turn around.  But 900 spins in, it appears to me the direction is the same as the RNG tests.   I need to find an efficient way to load these in.   

[Proofreaders2000]

Here's an idea:
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Procedure: Note the newest spin-value.

Bet the newest spin-value, the number
numerically higher, and a column number on either side.

Repeat steps with each new spin-value.

Stop on a win or after six consecutive misses.

*If Zero shows bet 3,36,33 & 0,1,2

Example:  #21 (newest spin-value)

Bet 18,21,24 & 19,22,25 once

#7 (newest spin-value)

Bet 4,7,10 & 5,8,11....

[Mako]

Hi Mako

Notto said to ask you about your old drinking vessel spins 1-10, believe he said easy 100 units....

Something you can help us out with?

Nimo came up with that one, it's good too, you just need to Keep The Faith as you play.  What Notto is referring to in his mention of it is a cut-down version that Nimo plays for the first ten spins.  Here's the original: link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20291.0

[Proofreaders2000]

Here's an idea:
==============================
Procedure: Note the newest spin-value.

Bet the newest spin-value, the number
numerically higher, and a column number on either side.

Repeat steps with each new spin-value.

Stop on a win or after six consecutive misses.

*If Zero shows bet 3,36,33 & 0,1,2

Example:  #21 (newest spin-value)

Bet 18,21,24 & 19,22,25 once

#7 (newest spin-value)

Bet 4,7,10 & 5,8,11....

The hit-rate is better the other way:

Note the newest spin-value.

Bet the newest spin-value, the number numerically lower,
and a column number on either side of both respectively.

Repeat steps with each new spin-value.