Vaddis Holy Grail

[Proofreaders2000]

*the Even Chance tactic should work on Blackjack**no splits or doubles
Again, stopping when in profit

12 times base bet=Bankroll requirement

Example: Minimum table: $25/Blackjack bet

25 times 12=$300 Bankroll

[Proofreaders2000]

*in Blackjack--Vaddi--the only time to bet would be after the dealer busts

[Irish88]

link:s://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=9189.0

I am sorry if this has been posted before in this thread. It is said this is basically the same system and you wait for 12 unique numbers in a row to hit, then bet the first 8 numbers you tracked.

[DoctorSudoku]

link:s://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=9189.0

I am sorry if this has been posted before in this thread. It is said this is basically the same system and you wait for 12 unique numbers in a row to hit, then bet the first 8 numbers you tracked.

It is for the most part the same system -- and as with any other system, play around with it and come up with your own tweaks to suit your own bank roll and psychology.

[Proofreaders2000]

I tested this theory last night looks good so far.

                                        ---*Vaddi's Dozen/Column System*---

Bankroll requirement: 18 units

Flat-bet last decision Dozen/Column continuously

*Stop when in profit*

Example: #2 (newest spin-value)-first dozen

Bet first dozen:     1.) 31(x)-1

Bet third dozen:    2.) 0(x)-1

*in case of zero wait one spin for a non-zero outcome

...#22 (newest spin-value)

Bet second dozen:    3.) 19(win)+2

Bet second dozen:    4.) 15(win)+2: (stop) +2 profit
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Same with columns:

Example: #33 (newest spin-value)-third column

Bet third column:        1.) 23(x)-1

Bet second column:    2.) 20(win)+2
----------------------------------------------------------
(stop) +1 profit

[AndyCasinoK]

I tested this theory last night looks good so far.

                                        ---*Vaddi's Dozen/Column System*---

Bankroll requirement: 18 units

Flat-bet last decision Dozen/Column continuously

*Stop when in profit*

Example: #2 (newest spin-value)-first dozen

Bet first dozen:     1.) 31(x)-1

Bet third dozen:    2.) 0(x)-1

*in case of zero wait one spin for a non-zero outcome

...#22 (newest spin-value)

Bet second dozen:    3.) 19(win)+2

Bet second dozen:    4.) 15(win)+2: (stop) +2 profit
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Same with columns:

Example: #33 (newest spin-value)-third column

Bet third column:        1.) 23(x)-1

Bet second column:    2.) 20(win)+2
----------------------------------------------------------
(stop) +1 profit

instead of 18 if your Bankroll was 1800 dollars and your bet unit was 100 you will be at + 200 
Nice 

but now think at what you can do with these dollars  , what i like to do sometimes is using the "money of the casino " against the casino
turn the +2 to + 3  and the + 3 to +4 and the +4 to + 6 etc 
using the " money of the casino"  against the casino doing all of that without risking big money , less damage to me to do maximum damage to the casino , but i don't want to go off topic maybe i will start a thread about that .

[DoctorSudoku]

I tested this theory last night looks good so far.

                                        ---*Vaddi's Dozen/Column System*---

Bankroll requirement: 18 units

Flat-bet last decision Dozen/Column continuously

*Stop when in profit*

Example: #2 (newest spin-value)-first dozen

Bet first dozen:     1.) 31(x)-1

Bet third dozen:    2.) 0(x)-1

*in case of zero wait one spin for a non-zero outcome

...#22 (newest spin-value)

Bet second dozen:    3.) 19(win)+2

Bet second dozen:    4.) 15(win)+2: (stop) +2 profit
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Same with columns:

Example: #33 (newest spin-value)-third column

Bet third column:        1.) 23(x)-1

Bet second column:    2.) 20(win)+2
----------------------------------------------------------
(stop) +1 profit

Would it not be better if you wait a few spins without any dozen (or column) repeating before embarking on a chase for the repeating dozen (or column)?

Just a suggestion to cut down on potential losses.

[Bigbroben]

Do you mind posting another graph?

[Proofreaders2000]

Would it not be better if you wait a few spins without any dozen (or column) repeating before embarking on a chase for the repeating dozen (or column)?

Just a suggestion to cut down on potential losses.

Fair comment.

imo perhaps with a smaller set of numbers (like a doublestreet or street) but 12
numbers is a large enough target it should a make a profit without a large drawdown.

[DoctorSudoku]

Fair comment.

imo perhaps with a smaller set of numbers (like a doublestreet or street) but 12
numbers is a large enough target it should a make a profit without a large drawdown.

I like the idea of chasing dozen and column repeats because they are single dozen / single column bets.

You can, if you so prefer, even use a mild progression to chase them (contrast that with the standard 1 1, 3 3, 9 9, 27 27, etc. horror show that we have for double dozens and double columns methods).

[Ricky]

link:s://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=9189.0

I am sorry if this has been posted before in this thread. It is said this is basically the same system and you wait for 12 unique numbers in a row to hit, then bet the first 8 numbers you tracked.

Hi Irish88,
thanks for posting the link. I had a look at the system and see it works well when you see a lot of repeats within the 20 spin history. It will be risky if you see long periods of uniques. I gave it a go with .10 base bets while I saw many repeats in my online casino and it is holding up well. I guess you need to have some stoploss built in and maybe only start using it when there is some indication of repeats occurring. So if you do get a drought maybe best to wait until repeats start occurring. Sometimes you get repeats occuring in waves every other spin or even back to back. This system works well in those situations.

I have add a tweak to this to allow for the situations where you get back to back wins. Rather than WAITING for 8 or 12 uniques I have been betting each unique as it comes out. I start with 1 then 2 then 3 then 4 etc until I get 8 numbers come out without a repeat. I put 1 unit on each to a maximum of 8 numbers. So my bets would look like

Last number 15 Bet 1 unit on 15
Last number 25 Bet 2 units (15,25)
Last number 12 Bet 3 units (15,25,12)
Last number 22 Bet 4  units (15,25,12,22)
Last number 2   Bet 5  units  (15,25,12,22,2)
Last number 26 Bet 6 units (15,25,12,22,2,26)
Last number 30 Bet 7 units (15,25,12,22,2,26,30)
Last number 30 Win 8 units

If a number repeats during this initial phase I am immediately in profit and I start again.
But what I do is look for the last unique numbers before the repeat. In the above case 30 came out twice in a row so I will start betting on 30 1 unit. But if 12 came out then I will start betting
1 unit each on 22,2,26,12
so I drop all previous numbers and start with last unique numbers. This way I will catch any repeats of previous numbers.

On the 8th spin if no repeats came I continue with these 8 numbers using progression 2,2,3,5,5,7,9,12

If I have not go a repeat by the 12 progression I have lost 3920 units and at .10 units that's 39.20 I accept the loss an restart

Also, if a number repeats after my initial 8 then I restart the betting with the latest set of unique numbers after the repeat that I missed. eg say my 8 numbers are:
15,25,12,22,2,26,30,32

and the next numbers are 9,33,27,13,9
I have lost all bets and am up to progression 5 with my numbers. What I will do here is stop using these numbers and continue the progression using the numbers from 9. So my next bet will be 1 unit on 9,33,27,13. I will then continue adding a number until I get 8 unique numbers. I will then continue betting the 8 numbers using the last progression before I reset, in this case 5. I will then continue to progression of 12 or until I get a hit. This method is optional. For me it means I am using the freshest set of unique numbers and not the ones that have not hit the longest. The idea is if you suddenly get a lot of repeats with the recent numbers you are not missing out because you are betting on cold numbers that have not hit and may not hit for a long time begin replaced with new hot numbers

When you get a hit you should be in profit so reset back to 1 unit using the last 8 unique numbers of from the number that just repeated which may be less than 8 numbers away. In this case build up to 8 unique numbers and repeat the progression

Let me know if you find this option successful. So far so good for me
cheers
Ricky

[Ricky]

Hi Irish88,
thanks for posting the link. I had a look at the system and see it works well when you see a lot of repeats within the 20 spin history. It will be risky if you see long periods of uniques. I gave it a go with .10 base bets while I saw many repeats in my online casino and it is holding up well. I guess you need to have some stoploss built in and maybe only start using it when there is some indication of repeats occurring. So if you do get a drought maybe best to wait until repeats start occurring. Sometimes you get repeats occuring in waves every other spin or even back to back. This system works well in those situations.

I have add a tweak to this to allow for the situations where you get back to back wins. Rather than WAITING for 8 or 12 uniques I have been betting each unique as it comes out. I start with 1 then 2 then 3 then 4 etc until I get 8 numbers come out without a repeat. I put 1 unit on each to a maximum of 8 numbers. So my bets would look like

Last number 15 Bet 1 unit on 15
Last number 25 Bet 2 units (15,25)
Last number 12 Bet 3 units (15,25,12)
Last number 22 Bet 4  units (15,25,12,22)
Last number 2   Bet 5  units  (15,25,12,22,2)
Last number 26 Bet 6 units (15,25,12,22,2,26)
Last number 30 Bet 7 units (15,25,12,22,2,26,30)
Last number 30 Win 8 units

If a number repeats during this initial phase I am immediately in profit and I start again.
But what I do is look for the last unique numbers before the repeat. In the above case 30 came out twice in a row so I will start betting on 30 1 unit. But if 12 came out then I will start betting
1 unit each on 22,2,26,12
so I drop all previous numbers and start with last unique numbers. This way I will catch any repeats of previous numbers.

On the 8th spin if no repeats came I continue with these 8 numbers using progression 2,2,3,5,5,7,9,12

If I have not go a repeat by the 12 progression I have lost 3920 units and at .10 units that's 39.20 I accept the loss an restart

Also, if a number repeats after my initial 8 then I restart the betting with the latest set of unique numbers after the repeat that I missed. eg say my 8 numbers are:
15,25,12,22,2,26,30,32

and the next numbers are 9,33,27,13,9
I have lost all bets and am up to progression 5 with my numbers. What I will do here is stop using these numbers and continue the progression using the numbers from 9. So my next bet will be 1 unit on 9,33,27,13. I will then continue adding a number until I get 8 unique numbers. I will then continue betting the 8 numbers using the last progression before I reset, in this case 5. I will then continue to progression of 12 or until I get a hit. This method is optional. For me it means I am using the freshest set of unique numbers and not the ones that have not hit the longest. The idea is if you suddenly get a lot of repeats with the recent numbers you are not missing out because you are betting on cold numbers that have not hit and may not hit for a long time begin replaced with new hot numbers

When you get a hit you should be in profit so reset back to 1 unit using the last 8 unique numbers of from the number that just repeated which may be less than 8 numbers away. In this case build up to 8 unique numbers and repeat the progression

Let me know if you find this option successful. So far so good for me
cheers
Ricky

Here is an example of a scenario where the above method tweak works well


I captured all wins where there was a repeat by betting each number as it came out until I get 8 numbers. In this case I won each time before betting all 8 numbers

Cheers,
Ricky

[Ricky]

Here is an example of a scenario where the above method tweak works well


I captured all wins where there was a repeat by betting each number as it came out until I get 8 numbers. In this case I won each time before betting all 8 numbers

Cheers,
Ricky

And the repeats just keep coming

[Irish88]

Hi Irish88,
thanks for posting the link. I had a look at the system and see it works well when you see a lot of repeats within the 20 spin history. It will be risky if you see long periods of uniques. I gave it a go with .10 base bets while I saw many repeats in my online casino and it is holding up well. I guess you need to have some stoploss built in and maybe only start using it when there is some indication of repeats occurring. So if you do get a drought maybe best to wait until repeats start occurring. Sometimes you get repeats occuring in waves every other spin or even back to back. This system works well in those situations.

I have add a tweak to this to allow for the situations where you get back to back wins. Rather than WAITING for 8 or 12 uniques I have been betting each unique as it comes out. I start with 1 then 2 then 3 then 4 etc until I get 8 numbers come out without a repeat. I put 1 unit on each to a maximum of 8 numbers. So my bets would look like

Last number 15 Bet 1 unit on 15
Last number 25 Bet 2 units (15,25)
Last number 12 Bet 3 units (15,25,12)
Last number 22 Bet 4  units (15,25,12,22)
Last number 2   Bet 5  units  (15,25,12,22,2)
Last number 26 Bet 6 units (15,25,12,22,2,26)
Last number 30 Bet 7 units (15,25,12,22,2,26,30)
Last number 30 Win 8 units

If a number repeats during this initial phase I am immediately in profit and I start again.
But what I do is look for the last unique numbers before the repeat. In the above case 30 came out twice in a row so I will start betting on 30 1 unit. But if 12 came out then I will start betting
1 unit each on 22,2,26,12
so I drop all previous numbers and start with last unique numbers. This way I will catch any repeats of previous numbers.

On the 8th spin if no repeats came I continue with these 8 numbers using progression 2,2,3,5,5,7,9,12

If I have not go a repeat by the 12 progression I have lost 3920 units and at .10 units that's 39.20 I accept the loss an restart

Also, if a number repeats after my initial 8 then I restart the betting with the latest set of unique numbers after the repeat that I missed. eg say my 8 numbers are:
15,25,12,22,2,26,30,32

and the next numbers are 9,33,27,13,9
I have lost all bets and am up to progression 5 with my numbers. What I will do here is stop using these numbers and continue the progression using the numbers from 9. So my next bet will be 1 unit on 9,33,27,13. I will then continue adding a number until I get 8 unique numbers. I will then continue betting the 8 numbers using the last progression before I reset, in this case 5. I will then continue to progression of 12 or until I get a hit. This method is optional. For me it means I am using the freshest set of unique numbers and not the ones that have not hit the longest. The idea is if you suddenly get a lot of repeats with the recent numbers you are not missing out because you are betting on cold numbers that have not hit and may not hit for a long time begin replaced with new hot numbers

When you get a hit you should be in profit so reset back to 1 unit using the last 8 unique numbers of from the number that just repeated which may be less than 8 numbers away. In this case build up to 8 unique numbers and repeat the progression

Let me know if you find this option successful. So far so good for me
cheers
Ricky

Hi Ricky,

Thank you for your excellent post. I have actually played that way in the past. Betting each unique number that comes out. I had very good success with it and asking myself why I got away from it. Remember,  Notto with all his spins shows a number should repeat within 10 spins about 75-80% of the time by the 10th spin using a 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1, 2,2,3 progression.

So after you don't get a hit 8 spins, you play all 8 numbers with your progression. I will check it out. Thank for your post.

[Ricky]

1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1, 2,2,3 progression.

As with any system it works until it doesn't. After posting, I played a little bit too long this method and got a drought of the eight numbers. Therefore got up to the highest progression of 12 after changing unique numbers a few times. Eventually lost all my profit. So this method is good with some additional conditions and some stops for profit as well as loss. Expect about 3000-5000 unit profit each session. with .10 that is 30-50 dollars/euro. So with $1 base bets you can aim for 200-300 dollars/euro which is pretty good but has the same level of risk. So not the method for the conservative gambler.

Cheers,
Ricky