Vaddis Holy Grail

[hanshuckebein]

Hi Lucky,

would you regard this as a definition for a limit?

"for a nonempty, finite bag of real numbers, the maximum is at least the average (and the minimum is at most the average)."

cheers
hans

[Herby]

The best help I have given on any forum

Hi luckyfella,
thank you for your answer.
I just found your answer now and have to work about it.   

[Proofreaders2000]

New idea

Bankroll suggestion: 144 units

Track until you have seven consecutive unique singles.

Bet those seven once.

When you have eight uniques bet those eight once.

When you have nine unique singles bet those once.

If all three attempts miss restart tracking new uniques.

Stop when in profit.

[Bigbroben]

So a cost of 24.  Not a bad idea.

Could code this with Excel.  Other conditions?  If, say, a hit but not in profit? Ex:  hit on second bet with 9nrs.

[Proofreaders2000]

Other conditions?  If, say, a hit but not in
profit? Ex:  hit on second bet with 9nrs.-Bigbroben

Start over tracking new unique singles.

[Bigbroben]

Ok so, if no hit after 9 nrs, let go until a repeater comes, then retrack, or after 9, play 7nrs right away?

[Proofreaders2000]

Ok so, if no hit after 9 nrs...Bigbroben

Start over tracking new unique singles.
(Remember to keep track of your bankroll)

[Proofreaders2000]

Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Friday, November 16,2018 @ 9:07pm CST USA

...15,35,27,6,10,11,34 (newest spin-value)

Bet the last seven consecutive unique singles once:
(15,35,27,6,10,11,34)

1.) 25(x)-7

Bet the last eight consecutive unique singles once:
(15,35,27,6,10,11,34,25)

2.) 3(x)-8

Bet the last nine consecutive unique singles once:
(15,35,27,6,10,11,34,25,3)

3.) 36(x)-9

Track seven new consecutive unique singles.

...23,30,13,11,6,14,32 (newest spin-value)

Bet the last seven unique singles once:
(23,30,13,11,6,14,32)

4.) 29(x)-7

Bet the last eight unique singles once:
(23,30,13,11,6,14,32,29)

5.) 2(x)-8

Bet the last nine unique singles once:
(23,30,13,11,6,14,32,29,2)

6.) 23(win)+27

Track seven new consecutive unique singles.

...0,2,25,34,28,18,16 (newest spin-value)

Bet the last seven unique singles once.
(0,2,25,34,28,18,16)

7.) 36(x)-7

Bet the last eight unique singles once.
(0,2,25,34,28,18,16,36)

8.) 18(win)+28
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Grand total: +9 units

[Proofreaders2000]

Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Friday, November 16,2018 @ 9:43pm CDT USA

...11,22,34,9,5,27,28 (newest spin-value)

Bet the last seven consecutive unique singles once:   
(11,22,34,9,5,27,28)

1.) 4(x)-7

Bet the last eight consecutive unique singles once:     
(11,22,34,9,5,27,28,4)

2.) 8(x)-8

Bet the last nine consecutive unique singles once:
(11,22,34,9,5,27,28,4,8)

3.) 36(x)-9

Track seven new consecutive unique singles.

...2,34,29,14,32,19,27 (newest spin-value)

Bet the last seven consecutive unique singles once:
(2,34,29,14,32,19,27)

4.) 36(x)-7

Bet the last eight consecutive unique singles once:
(2,34,29,14,32,19,27,36)

5.) 7(x)-8

Bet the last nine consecutive unique singles once:
(2,34,29,14,32,19,27,36,7)

6.) 27(win)+27

Track seven new consecutive unique singles.

...34,1,9,32,27,6,13 (newest spin-value)

Bet the last seven consecutive unique singles once:
(34,1,9,32,27,6,13)

7.) 00(x)-7

Bet the last eight consecutive unique singles once:
(34,1,9,32,27,6,13,00)

8.) 30(x)-8

Bet the last nine unique singles once:
(34,1,9,32,27,6,13,00,30)

9.) 19(x)-9

Track seven new consecutive unique singles.

...5,32,33,34,31,00,11 (newest spin-value)

Bet the last seven consecutive unique singles:

1.) 31(win)+29

Track seven new consecutive unique singles.

...8,20,17,32,4,33,30 (newest spin-value)

Bet the last seven consecutive unique singles once.
(8,20,17,32,4,33,30)

1.) 30(win)+29
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Grand total: +22 units

[Normy2000]

Hello Proof,
I coded it in Rx with a 25 steps progression.
Reached Step 22 at spin 1665 and step 24 at step 1941, other than that, it won on 5200 dublin spins.
Need a huge BR, 

[reveal]
System "Normy bet 7,8,9 non hitter + 25 step prog"

Method "main"
Begin
    While Starting a New Session
    Begin
        Call "Initialize"
        put 7 to record "trigger" data
        put 0 to record "try count" data
    End

    // Tracking
    While on Each Spin
    Begin
        Call "Check for win/loss"

        Track Last Number for 1 times to record "last number" layout

        if record "last number" layout is found in record "tracked numbers" layout
        begin
            Clear record "tracked numbers" layout
            return
        end

        Track Last Number for 10 times to record "tracked numbers" layout
       
        if  record "try count" data >= 3
        begin
            Clear record "tracked numbers" layout
            put 0 to record "try count" data
            return
        end

        if  record "tracked numbers" layout count >= record "trigger" data
        begin
            Put 100% of record "progression" data to record "tracked numbers" layout list
            add 1 to record "try count" data
        end

    End
End

// ************************************************************************
//routine to deal with any losses
Method "Check for win/loss"
Begin
    if Total inside bets count = 0
    begin
        return
    end
   
    If Any Number Bet has won each time
    Begin
        Clear record "tracked numbers" layout
        Put 1 on record "progression" data index
        put 0 to record "try count" data
    end
    else
    Begin
        If Record "progression" Data Index < Record "progression" Data Count
        Begin
            add 1 on record "progression" data index
        end
        else
        begin
            put 1 on record "progression" data index
        end
    end
End

// ************************************************************************

Method "Initialize"
Begin
    Load Single Wheel
//    Set List [1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1] to Record "progression" Data

    Set List [1,1,1,1,2,2,3,4,5,6,8,10,13,17,22,28,36,47,59,76,101,125,161,215,267] to Record "progression" Data
    Put 1 on record "progression" data index
    Clear record "tracked numbers" layout
    Put 1 on record "progression" data
    put 0 to record "try count" data
End
// ************************************************************************

[/reveal]

[Normy2000]

Same spins, flat bet.

[Proofreaders2000]

thanks for testing Normy2000

[Bigbroben]

About step 2 of Vaddis:
It's 88888 (if the number is 8 )  then on a hit, 7.

What after that?  Is it back to 8 or would it be  7777 then another hit, 6666, then 5555 until down to 1111, so seeking ever shorter gaps?

Add to that the pairs...

I wonder.

[Bigbroben]

I did exploit Excel to extract the following information:

Question was: how many times a number will hit before the other number in the pair hits?

So I ran many times -10k trials of 1000 spins-, each gathering the infos for every 18 pairs (disregard zero).

It turns out, no matter which type of pair one uses (37pair, +18pair, +1pair, whatever), there is 51% times a number will hit once before the other number hits.  I had expect it to be exactly at 50%, but they all average 50,9%, 51%.

Here is a sample:


So, top right, there were 4 918 244 switches in a 10k x 1000 spins.  A switch happens when the other nr in the pair arrives.

Of these 4918244 switches, 2 505 587 times did the first nr hit once before the other one kicked in (2nd top left).  So, an average of 50,94475%.
The other columns report how many times the nr hit twice, 3 times, 4 times...  with a minimum, maximum, average and median value for all 1000 spins in a trial.

In all the 1000 spin test, the maximum a nr repeated before the other one hit was 26 ( in this sample), the minimum was 6.  These value are consistent in all trials.

How do we take advantage of this?
From these nrs, a good way to play would be to remove the hit nr in the pair and keep the other unhit, as opposed to keeping the hit and removing the unhit.

Now, when to play both nrs, when to play only one?  It needs still to be figured out.

[Mako]

Ben, can this be added to your number density recovery method, meaning removing the hit nrs from it under certain trigger circumstances and focusing on the pairs, and vice versa?