Vaddis Holy Grail

[Irish88]

Elite had pretty good suggestions to play 4numbers grups.
I've had several good sessions lately, although I think it's a rather short run.
We only play 1 to a dozen three groups
1-2-3-4
5-6-7-8
9-10-11-12
After dropping a number from a given group, we play this group for 4 spins. If we have a hit, we play through the next 4 spins
Sometimes we will play 4 numbers sometimes 8, and sometimes 12 numbers for a moment.

Very good idea. It goes to the theory that a child can do it. No tracking, no pen. Just look at the top of the board and repeat exactly what the wheel is doing. Recycling numbers. So are you saying if a number hasn't hit in 4 spins you keep the original set of 4 but then add the newest set for the next 4 spins? Making 8 numbers. He did say bet each number 8 times then drop if it hasn't hit.

[Irish88]

Elite had pretty good suggestions to play 4numbers grups.
I've had several good sessions lately, although I think it's a rather short run.
We only play 1 to a dozen three groups
1-2-3-4
5-6-7-8
9-10-11-12
After dropping a number from a given group, we play this group for 4 spins. If we have a hit, we play through the next 4 spins
Sometimes we will play 4 numbers sometimes 8, and sometimes 12 numbers for a moment.

Any chance you can post an example of how you would play? When do you decide to play 8 or 12 numbers?

Thanks.

[Kan@am@]

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[ozon]

I played the simplest version
When the number came out, for example number 2 i play group 1-2-3-4, that will hit in 4 spins, if within these 4 spins and hit this group i play this group for the next 4 spins and  until dosent repeat
The number of played numbers depends on the results, if we have, for example, a series of numbers say 30-4-16-12 .....
We play groups 1 and 3 at the same time

[Kan@am@]

.Here Sandrino tried to give some hint.

[Irish88]

In the original thread a poster named virgiliodonis posted this quote

Quote from: ombrerico on May 31, 2013, 05:03:40 PM
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In mathematics, the factorial of a non-negative integer n, denoted by n >> 4!=24

Virgilio você quer dizer que o numero especial é o 6?
Olá Ombrerico,
Quero dizer que é o n=4.
Quando perguntas  "Vaddi could tell if the number is between 6 and 10 even or odd?". Vaddi enfatisa que é o factor de um numero anunciado, {And if you read my above posts, that X number is a factor of a bigger number that I've quoted}, então pode ser o numero 24. cujo factor é 4! (quatro factorial= 4x3x2x1),

virgiliodinis

He then later appeared to have posted the way he played it, then it was taken down. Can anyone decipher hat it says?

The 4x3x2x1 seems critical.

Vaddi always says if there is no repeat in the last set of spins which I take to mean the last 4 spins, that there will be some connection in the next 4 spins dropped.

[Proofreaders2000]

Something that appears to work atm:

Bet the last four unique singles...and continue
to bet those same four numbers for up to nine spins.

Example: 23,0,18,7 (newest spin-value)

Bet 23,0,18,7 for up to nine spins.  Stop on a win.

[Irish88]

Something that appears to work atm:

Bet the last four unique singles...and continue
to bet those same four numbers for up to nine spins.

Example: 23,0,18,7 (newest spin-value)

Bet 23,0,18,7 for up to nine spins.  Stop on a win.

I have been wondering something. The original Vaddi  thread was started in 2013. This Luck of the Irish posted this thread in 2012.

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9740.0

It shows that the most optimal time to try to bet for a repeat is spins 5-10. After the first 4 spins. I am wondering if he was somehow incorporating these stats into his method. Coincidentally I just posted this in Ignatus newest thread today.

[Elite]

apart from this, my observation is , most important thing is when to enter in game.
and realize which playground is where we trying to win.
below some facts.
1-Dealer is expert to throw ball in any sector area.
2-casino knows almost which sector or almost number is going to drop next.
(study the structer of latest wheels, inside they have lazers  that measure speed of ball, etc and can predict no, before ball land).
3- Pitboss constantly monitoring the profit and loss going on that roulette table.

What casino do to make players loose.
1- they change the ball  if more players are winning(isnt't it cheating?)
2- based on pitboss feedback, dealer will change sector to hit,
3-Dealer will spin either wheel slower or faster or ball speed change based on Pitboss feedback to hit some particular sector(if roulette random then why this ).
4- computer can reject your bets( if with minimal  chips u winning freqently, isnt this cheating?)
5-another , not conformed but my observation is they control ball some how , especially weekends, i observed this . may b i m right or wrong
6- camera  view changs as dealer throw ball until bet open.
7- sometime they pick ball from one number and throw from other side(isnt this cheating, when palyer aleady palced bets? how much chances of looosing now)

just think this way, bets are closed , all placed bets, and they know which number is having lower stacks.
Dealer  will spin where? no holy grail man. this is the reason, player says hit and run..
See the battlefield , how heavily its guarded, we are just prey , going there..

If roulette is perfectly random, wihtout biased, then  2.70% house edge, but using tactics and progression can be beaten.
above my observation is for the most reliable casinos.

once some one is good in predicting, then he will see, more counter measure casino has done to loose players.
Believe me casino is like a red ass monkey that need big banana to satisfy,
more perfect your are in game, more hurdle u will see apart from predicting in online gaming.

all tricks here , strategies, are not useless, but why it flops is , casino, knows where what people are doing.

Before entering game , always check , previous last 2 sessions(50 to 70 spins), and see what you are going to do, is same as its happening now?

then start observing latest outcomes addition point(try to predict  sectors, based on ball speed it will heplful later to decide which possible number will hit again, )
see when it will be good to enter(as per Vaadi 25 spins, and profit of a day).
but before playing that fully ready , knows what wheel is doing, where is balance now.
roulete constangly changing..why  , because palyers on pattrens, so they break pattrens,
slow and steady. not much profit there, make your goal, and quit.(why, because our mind stuck with current pattrens and till it adopt with new patterns, we already loose some prifits and this going on untill all loose).Break, take relax when join after  some time, then u can see roulette patrrens with new angle, this is the logic, i guess, players suggest to take a break,,,,,

[Proofreaders2000]

I have been wondering something. The original Vaddi  thread was started in 2013. This Luck of the Irish posted this thread in 2012.

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9740.0

It shows that the most optimal time to try to bet for a repeat is spins 5-10. After the first 4 spins. I am wondering if he was somehow incorporating these stats into his method. Coincidentally I just posted this in Ignatus newest thread today.

I tried a five unique single qualifier builder but the hit rate isn't constant.
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New idea

Bet newest two Red's or Black's natural splits & zero each spin
Stop on a win or after seven consecutive misses.

Example: 23,0,11,9,15 (newest spin-value)

Bet 15/18 & 8/11,0 once:    1.) 3(x)-2

Bet 3/6 & 9/12,0 once....

[Proofreaders2000]

New idea
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Track for two consecutive numerically higher or lower singles' outcomes.  Bet
those two and the next lower and higher numbers respectively for up to nine spins.

Example: 12,0,3,19,35,4 (newest spin-value)

Bet 2,3,4,5 for up to nine spins.  Stop on a win.

[ignatus]

New idea
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Track for two consecutive numerically higher or lower singles' outcomes.  Bet
those two and the next lower and higher numbers respectively for up to nine spins.

Example: 12,0,3,19,35,4 (newest spin-value)

Bet 2,3,4,5 for up to nine spins.  Stop on a win.

......im sorry proof,.....but ....you soooo lost,..im sorry..very soory.....you missed the target completley.....im sorry, you're lost,....

[Proofreaders2000]

I'm trying to figure the puzzle out Ignatus
(Plz feel free to help) 
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*Something to add.

If you see a new trigger bet the new trigger
instead, but continue the countdown to nine spins.

Example: 12,0,24,6,18,5 (newest spin-value)

Bet 7,6,5,4:    1.) 2(x)-4               2.) 32(x)-4               3.) 25(x)-4*

Bet 23,24,25,26:    4.) ....

[ignatus]

I'm trying to figure the puzzle out Ignatus
(Plz feel free to help) 
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*Something to add.

If you see a new trigger bet the new trigger
instead, but continue the countdown to nine spins.

Example: 12,0,24,6,18,5 (newest spin-value)

Bet 7,6,5,4:    1.) 2(x)-4               2.) 32(x)-4               3.) 25(x)-4*

Bet 23,24,25,26:    4.) ....

Well,..that's a nice idea,..yes, very nice, thanks,, But it will Also fail,....Because? First off, as irish88 has proven, by statistics over 30 millions spins..."most repeats", comes within the frame of,...."8-10" spins, ....also, "this idea" is bet
9/2=4..(so you bet only 4 numbers), (i've seen those stats myself,.....so, that means, to conclude your idea, it was nice, but it will not work, in the long run,...etc...Because? You would bet Every other bet (skip 1 bet) and? "skipping bets" won't help, as has been proven by the "pros"...so,the conclution now,...is... that, this is also a complete failure.......yes...you lost the target again......

[Irish88]

.Here Sandrino tried to give some hint.

I think at one time Sandrino posted the way he played but then edited and took down his messages. 

A couple of interesting things posted

Hi sandrino

Thnx for sharing the info


Do you still Knock the numbers off the bottom and add the latest landed number? up to 4 numbers? so the magic x number is now 4?

thnx sandrino i'm a little slow but  it is much clearer now

so if you don't knock numbers off and dont add new ones that means you bet on same 4split (8 numbers) until you get some profit?

Vaddi always said it's about the last 4 spins. Then there would be some connection in the next 8 spins out.