Vaddis Holy Grail

[Sparks]

seems something missing or system itself not worth

Buffalo has been extensively testing my method on a new thread and all seems pretty good so far. Fingers crossed its a keeper

[Proofreaders2000]

Another try at this

Bankroll=144 total units.

Procedure: Qualifier is four unique singles.  Bet the last
four outcomes *until you have four new unique singles.

Repeat steps until in profit.

Example: 31,12,5,21 (newest spin-value)

Bet 31,12,5,21:    1.) 4(x)-4               2.) 0(x)-4               

3.) 22(x)-4               4.) 15(x)-4*new qualifier

Bet 4,0,22,15....

[jono1167]

I have gone back and forth debating about the pair numbers and if it's related to the table or the wheel. I was reading the 37 back to basics thread and believe it can be very useful. Even yesterday I was thinking in terms of table pairs. Once a table pair hits, that is a double. What do we know? A double will eventually become a triple. Can a double be interpreted in different ways?  Is a double a repeat? Is it a table pair? Maybe someone else can read the first two pages of the thread and give their opinion.

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20411.0

Vaddi is mentioned in the thread often as is this

24/8=3

What do we know, 24 numbers avg in a 37 spin cycle. So just for fun I was testing on RS this morning. With each spin out I played their two wheel neighbors. For example

7= 11,7,20
Next spin is 1= 13,1,00
And so on

I did 110 spins flatbet +400 units. The farthest it got was 6 spins before a win. Maybe this is the law of the third? 8 unique 3 number sections of the wheel equaling 24 numbers. I don't know. I am just throwing it out there.

Hi Irish

I’ve been following these Vaddis threads over the past couple of days So much good info being posted (Baffalo, Proof Reader, Sparks, BBB etc).

I’ve been playing around with your system using my simulator app.  I’m only using my iPhone so I can’t record any detailed data, but it has a really good strike rate.

By the way, I’m using the 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2 progression.  It would be good to get a  progression sorted that covers 8 spins (24 numbers). As you said, so far I haven’t had to worry as it’s come in within the six spins.

After a short test I’m up 82 units. I’ll record some more games this afternoon and let you know how it
goes.

Early days but I like the theory behind it.

Cheers

[Irish88]

Sounds like it's definitely worth testing. But once you've lost 4 spins you're at a loss unless you progress. Do you stop at 4 losses and reset or keep going without a progression?

The way I did it Sparks was keep going without a progression. Like I said I was just messing around this morning with that first test. I went back and did another test(flatbetting), started bad but eventually got into profit. It never lost more then six spins in a row. Max 18 numbers. Do I believe this can be something? I honestly don't know. I usually never play more then 12-14 numbers.

My thinking was 24 numbers hit in a cycle, by incorporating 3 new numbers each spin through 8 spins, can 24 uniques you didn't bet on appear? I mean the ball has to go back to where it once was eventually. I could be wrong. You are filling in gaps on the wheel in other words.

I am still curious what the more knowledgeable people think about the 37 back to basics thread. I honestly think the answer is in there. Wheel or table pairs? Seems either way once you get a pair in a short amount of spins other numbers in that area will follow.

[Irish88]

Hi Irish

I’ve been following these Vaddis threads over the past couple of days So much good info being posted (Baffalo, Proof Reader, Sparks, BBB etc).

I’ve been playing around with your system using my simulator app.  I’m only using my iPhone so I can’t record any detailed data, but it has a really good strike rate.

By the way, I’m using the 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2 progression.  It would be good to get a  progression sorted that covers 8 spins (24 numbers). As you said, so far I haven’t had to worry as it’s come in within the six spins.

After a short test I’m up 82 units. I’ll record some more games this afternoon and let you know how it
goes.

Early days but I like the theory behind it.

Cheers

Thanks Jono for testing. If we can maintain a very hi hit rate, there is no question you could incorporate a progression into it. Like I said I have no idea if this can be a workable system. I was thinking out loud and outside the box.

I do think BW, Proof and Sparks are on to something with the table pairs. I have also been thinking, once you get a table pair for example 7,8 would it dumb to play 6 and 9 also? Playing the neighbors of the pairs that have appeared. What is constantly being said, doubles will turn into triples or quads. Just a thought.

[Proofreaders2000]

for example 7,8 would it dumb to play 6 and 9 also?-Irish88

I tried it-made money on RNG.  Not so good on Live wheel.
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When people think of the HG what comes to my mind is "the world record for
consecutive Reds is 36, so if I wait a lifetime for 35 Reds I have a sure winner."

An effective system imo should be like starting and driving your vehicle
of choice (without worrying about spark plugs or a bad alternator.

The system should be easy to understand and execute
in a B&M setting, while winning quickly and cheaply.

[Bigbroben]

Another try at this

Bankroll=144 total units.

Procedure: Qualifier is four unique singles.  Bet the last
four outcomes *until you have four new unique singles.

Repeat steps until in profit.

Example: 31,12,5,21 (newest spin-value)

Bet 31,12,5,21:    1.) 4(x)-4               2.) 0(x)-4               

3.) 22(x)-4               4.) 15(x)-4*new qualifier

Bet 4,0,22,15....

Curiously, I've been trying lately:
Wait 5 uniques.  Play them for 4 spins.  No hit? Add the 4 new nrs. Play 3 spins.  No hit? Add the 3 new nrs.  Play 2 spins.  No hit?  Ad them 2. Spin once. Add 1.

Irrel3vant since so few spins but hey!

[jono1167]

I have gone back and forth debating about the pair numbers and if it's related to the table or the wheel. I was reading the 37 back to basics thread and believe it can be very useful. Even yesterday I was thinking in terms of table pairs. Once a table pair hits, that is a double. What do we know? A double will eventually become a triple. Can a double be interpreted in different ways?  Is a double a repeat? Is it a table pair? Maybe someone else can read the first two pages of the thread and give their opinion.

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20411.0

Vaddi is mentioned in the thread often as is this

24/8=3

What do we know, 24 numbers avg in a 37 spin cycle. So just for fun I was testing on RS this morning. With each spin out I played their two wheel neighbors. For example

7= 11,7,20
Next spin is 1= 13,1,00
And so on

I did 110 spins flatbet +400 units. The farthest it got was 6 spins before a win. Maybe this is the law of the third? 8 unique 3 number sections of the wheel equaling 24 numbers. I don't know. I am just throwing it out there.

OK, here’s the results of 11 quick games (41 spins). Sorry, very light on for data because I just have access to my iPhone.

I’m using Irish88s method as described above.

I decided to flat-bet. 8 levels only, because at max 8 bets, you will cover 24 numbers (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1).

Unfortunately, by flat-betting, you can only profit on the first 4 spins. Yes, next time I will just bet for four levels and then reset.

On two games I went to 7 spins (-48 unit loss for each  of these games).

On one game I went to 5 spins for a 9 unit loss. 4 spins will put you in profit +6.

Results
Game 1: (4 spins) +6
Game 2: (3 spins) +18
Game 3: (7 spins) -48
Game 4: (5 spins) -9
Game 5: (1 spin) +33
Game 6: (4 spins) +6
Game 7: (2 spins) +27
Game 8: (3 spins) +18
Game 9: (2 spins) +27
Game 10: (3 spins) +18
Game 11: (7 spins) -48

11 games, 41 spins.
Total profit 48 units

[jono1167]

Curiously, I've been trying lately:
Wait 5 uniques.  Play them for 4 spins.  No hit? Add the 4 new nrs. Play 3 spins.  No hit? Add the 3 new nrs.  Play 2 spins.  No hit?  Ad them 2. Spin once. Add 1.

Irrel3vant since so few spins but hey!

Nice work BBB. The chart looks great!

[Bigbroben]

Yes, but it'S luck... my guess.

The idea was actually to try to offset the cost of a hit. 
Basically, you can't tell what rank has a repeater.  Is it the 4th nr that repeated, is it the 7th?  If you track back 5 spins and they all are different nrs, you kind of ''saved'' 10units by not playing 1+2+3+4 units.  The flipside is you'll never gain 35u on a hit if you never play only 1 nr... or 34 by playing 2, so on. 
It's a guess since you never know.  you hope for an early nr to repeat and not a back-to-back hit.
Yes, the average rank of a repeater is 4,5 (36/8), but overall, all ranks are equally likely.

so, yeah, luck.

[Bigbroben]

Irrelevant since so few spins but hey!

I can run simulations of 1000 cycles of 37 or 74 or whatever how many spins.  It can be way above zero after 1000 cycles, with crazy edges of 10% or so.  The same simulation can go on until 2000 cycles and still be above waters.  It will fall back down to negative territory soon or later.

I really think Vaddi claimed too early his findings to be a Grail.  Still he mentioned balance, pairs, usw, inspiring many of us into the ''Quest''...

Let's not give up.!

[Proofreaders2000]

Never give up 

With Celtic Casino down I can't study pattern formations easily.
I have access to another live wheel, but they are painfully slow.

[Bigbroben]

Can you not take spins from Wiesbaden or other and test on a paper?  Unless you need the live wheel to study other variables...

Manually testing really takes forever!  But it delays disappointment...

[Elite]

I can run simulations of 1000 cycles of 37 or 74 or whatever how many spins.  It can be way above zero after 1000 cycles, with crazy edges of 10% or so.  The same simulation can go on until 2000 cycles and still be above waters.  It will fall back down to negative territory soon or later.

I really think Vaddi claimed too early his findings to be a Grail.  Still he mentioned balance, pairs, usw, inspiring many of us into the ''Quest''...

Let's not give up.!

Yes I too, agree, His  finding is good to understand roulette.But I didn't see except Vad, who said he udnerstand  this grail and getting easy profit..

[Proofreaders2000]

Can you not take spins from Wiesbaden or other and test on a paper?  Unless you need the live wheel to study other variables...-Bigbroben

The data is too old.  I need the continuity and the dealer physics from a live wheel.