Vaddis Holy Grail

[Elite]

++ inclusive of 27+30, 34,+36 above is an idea, so place as rough

[Bigbroben]

Hi,

Say you have these nrs:
16 24 1 29 19 28 16 ( new).  16 repeated.
Play 16.

16 24 1 29 19 28 16 30
Play 16 24

16 24 1 29 19 28 16 30 22
Play 16 24 1

16 24 1 29 19 28 16 30 22 16
16 hit again.  Win
Play 16

16 30 22 31
Play 16 30

16 30 22 31 22 ( missed 22 but it's ok, can't catch all repeaters)
Play 16 30 22

16 30 22 31 22 29
Play 16 30 22 31

16 30 22 31 22 29 25
Play 16 30 22 31 29

16 30 22 31 22 29 25 33
Play 16 30 22 31 29 25

16 30 22 3122 29 25 33 23
Play 16 30 22 31 29 25 33

16 30 22 31 22 29 25 33 23 22
22 hits, win.
Play 22

22 29 25 33 23 22 28
Play 22 29
...

That's how I interpreted ''Follow the wheel''.  Played and added nrs until a hit, did not stop at 8 or any amount of nrs.

Luck?  Still to be proven wrong!

Started a second test with the ''follow the wheel'' theory.  Little tweak:

On a hit, if between the two occurences of the hit number, another one repeated, use this "fresher" repeater and add the equivalent number as if you had played this  repeater.

Ex:
17 32 36 29 7 18 19 36 24 34 22 17 (new).
So let's say you were playing whatever nr and you got your hit on 17.  Start again at 17 then 32 then 36?  No because 36 had repeated inbetween.  Start at 36 then 29 then 7 then 18?
No, the second 36 was 5 spins ago.  I'd start right away with 5 nrs: 36 29 7 18 19, then add 24, 34, 22,...

This is what I thought of for this second test.

200  spins so far, +349u, will keep updated.

[Elite]

Follow spins of wheel and pattern of wheel or spins or  numbers etc.... My view based on clue

[Bigbroben]

Yes I think this is whst is meant by "follow the wheel".

[buffalowizard]

Good job BBB.
Surely this warrants some of your excel magic

[nottophammer]

A.shanks

Is Big Bro Ben on the right path 

[buffalowizard]

First example ive looked at...please check I am getting this right . including the new tweak with how you retrack for a new play. Thanks

15       
17       
       18
31       
       3
4       
17               repeat of 17. Bet 17
31               17,18
6               17,18,31
       25.   17,18,31,3
29                17,18,31,3,4
       19.    17,18,31,3,4,6
       36.    17,18,31,3,4,6,25
       23.    17,18,31,3,4,6,25,29
-   -   -
       27.    17,18,31,3,4,6,25,29,19
   0    17,18,31,3,4,6,25,29,19,36
26        17,18,31,3,4,6,25,29,19,36,23
4       win! Bet back from 1st 4
Now play 17,31,6,25,29,19,36,23,27,0,26
17 WIN

So now would you retrack back to the first 17 again ? By betting 31,6,25,29,19,36,23,27,0,26,4?

[Bigbroben]

Hi,

not exactly.  I guess it's another method that could be worth testing.

There were no repeaters between the 2 4s so I'd start with 4, then 4 17, and 4 17 31...

Let's say in your example it was a 25 before the 0 instead of 27.
25 would have repeated between the 2 4s, with the last 25 occurence 4 spins ago.
Would have started with 4 nrs from the 1st 25, so: 25, 29, 19, 36
Then 25 29 19 36 23, then 25 29 19 36 23 0...

Anyway, update at spin 400: still up, +252u, did not crash like Titanic but remained flat.  Will continue.

[Proofreaders2000]

May I try?

How about two chips on repeat singles and one and a half chip on an attribute of
the repeater-Example 17 is Black, Odd, Low-which is dominant on the marquee?

[buffalowizard]

Hi,

not exactly.  I guess it's another method that could be worth testing.

There were no repeaters between the 2 4s so I'd start with 4, then 4 17, and 4 17 31...

Let's say in your example it was a 25 before the 0 instead of 27.
25 would have repeated between the 2 4s, with the last 25 occurence 4 spins ago.
Would have started with 4 nrs from the 1st 25, so: 25, 29, 19, 36
Then 25 29 19 36 23, then 25 29 19 36 23 0...

Anyway, update at spin 400: still up, +252u, did not crash like Titanic but remained flat.  Will continue.

Ok thanks for clarifying. Best of luck

[Mako]

Bigbroben, I'm realizing and unintentionally doing something similar to dyksexlic ...

Agree, Ben is on to something with this, through his large scale tests he may have accidentally stumbled onto the core component of a successful play. 

No shame in that, some of our best inventions were found unintentionally,

The drug Sildenafil was originally tested as a simple blood pressure medication...but when the trials showed dudes having one single very unexpected result, it was quickly re-purposed towards becoming the world's most popular boner pill.

[Bigbroben]

I stil think it is lluck, default value... !

We'll see, I'll post the 2nd 1000 spin graph once I'm done with it.

[Bigbroben]

Spin 600, +441u, new high.  Was flat or hard for a while, but came back.

[boyd30]

Great testing BBB. Are you doing It by hand? Wish I could code. I usually get tired after 50-100 spins of testing. Don't have the patience or time.

[jono1167]

Marathon is ended.  Player A wins.

The  battle is won but not the war.  This is a first test.

The last 1000spin test I did a few pages ago was also good.  That one focused on repeating nrs in repeating sequences, this one here using pairs only.  Both are surprising in their results, but I would not call it  HG.  Probably luck after all.

Would be for sure curious to test both with real wheel nrs.

Have a good night people see you tomorrow.

BBB / Proof   

I was working on Winner's 'Beating the Even Money' last weekend, and I noticed Ben posted this chart, showing some fairly impressive results (800 units from 1000 spins!). I felt I was making no progress deciphering Winners staking system (and getting frustrated), so I decided to run a few tests of this system myself.

I followed the basic rules which Ben described in an earlier post, but with some very minor modifications.

My modifications:
Following Ben's original rules, there isn't always the opportunity to put two units on each spin. Example:
First spin: #3. Bet numbers 2-4.
Second spin: #18. Bet numbers 2-4, 17-19.
Third spin: #20. Bet numbers 2-4, 17-19, 20-21 (19 was taken, so bet #20)
Fourth spin: #33. Bet numbers 2-4, 17-19, 20-21, 32-34, etc....

Reset when you get a hit, whether in profit or loss. Record the result. Start again.

TABLE OF HITS
If a hit occurs on 2nd spin    +34 units
If a hit occurs on 3rd spin    +30 units
If a hit occurs on 4th spin    +24 units
If a hit occurs on 5th spin    +16 units
If a hit occurs on 6th Spin    +6  units
If a hit occurs on 7th spin    -6  units
If a hit occurs on 8th spin    -20 units
If a hit occurs on 9th spin    -36 units
If a hit occurs on 10th spin   -54 units
If a hit occurs on 11th spin   -74 units
If a hit occurs on 12th spin   -96 units (This never occurred during the 1000 spin test)

All tests were carried out on my roulette simulator.

All credit to BBB and Proof  .

Jono




The chart shows a result similar to Ben's. 1000 spins with a profit of +927 units. All flat bet.