Vaddis Holy Grail

[Irish88]

Yo General, 100spins more on top of the earlier 200spins. That's my guessing game. That's the 3segments of 100spins each, just for you 

Lucky, can I ask how you are playing here? Are you using Ben's follow the wheel method or Jono's table pairs method?

Thank you

[Sparks]

Thanks for watching!

Coming up on Vaddis Playground.... Bigbroben uncovers yet another secret of the Holy Grail, is it the key? Find out in the next episode!   

[Bigbroben]

Coming up on Vaddis Playground.... Bigbroben uncovers yet another secret of the Holy Grail, is it the key? Find out in the next episode!   

No, I think it's just luck, my default value!

[luckyfella]

Lucky, can I ask how you are playing here? Are you using Ben's follow the wheel method or Jono's table pairs method?

Thank you

Hi, I played jono's table pairs on street. First attempt this morning on my phone after reading his post, so pure luck.

[boyd30]

I guess I did what Jono did but it wasn't luck

[Proofreaders2000]

Coming up on Vaddis Playground.... Bigbroben uncovers yet another secret of the Holy Grail, is it the key? Find out in the next episode!   

Cut Bigbroben some slack.  I appreciate his efforts.

[Bigbroben]

Cut Bigbroben some slack.  I appreciate his efforts.

Thanks Proof.

I must emphasize:

No, I think it's just luck

Don't go all-in on someone else's graph!  We are nowhere near a ''HG'' declaration...

[Mako]

Cut Bigbroben some slack.  I appreciate his efforts.

He was just joking, it wasn't a sarcastic dig. 

[Mako]

Hi, I played jono's table pairs on street. First attempt this morning on my phone after reading his post, so pure luck.

I did as well and it failed quickly, had multiple streaks of 22 numbers out, but what did it in was too many 14-18 numbers out bets. Maybe I did it wrong though as it was just a fast read before I jumped into a quick test.

Hit numbers must be played always in my mind, too many repeats within 7 spins. I don't think any method will work just doing neighbors, especially table neighbors. 

Even wheel neighbors would be a challenge, but at least you may luck into a hot sector of the wheel due to bias or signature or what have you.  But table neighbor betting is a construct, man-made basically, the wheel could care less about the table.   

All good food for thought though, love this thread and all the experimenting going on.  Great job by all.

[Bigbroben]

He was just joking, it wasn't a sarcastic dig. 

Oh I know... even if it was, it's just a forum.  Humour is good.  Even better with mayonnaise.

  Still I want to make sure nobody thinks it's that easy.  All the ideas that were put out here are probably going to sink down to house edge, unless proven wrong.  A few hundred/ thousand spins look good when it's up, but not enough to prove anything.  Keep on trying and keep on shooting new ideas, tweaks, squirrels.

[Mako]

Quick follow up thought, I really feel that Vaddi didn't mean pairs in terms of the pair list he provided.  He wanted us to ignore the deception of the randomized wheel layout, put them back into pair order basically.  To me that's always meant that the 0 on the wheel is 0 in Vaddi's list, but the 32 on the wheel is the "1" on his provided list.

And since he mentions going foward, it has to mean going forward on the wheel, not the table, because really who cares about the table layout?  Why would that affect anything?

So if the pairs list is the wheel, and the wheel has been randomized by the creator to fool us, in my mind that always meant the real pairs list that Vaddi refers to is this (single 0 wheel):

0 | 32
32 | 15
15 | 19
19 | 4
4 | 21
21 | 2
2 | 25
25 | 17
17 | 34
34 | 6
6 | 27
27 | 13
13 | 36
36 | 11
11 | 30
30 | 8
8 | 23
23 | 10
10 | 5
5  |24
24 | 16
16 | 33
33 | 1
1  |20
20 | 14
14 | 31
31 | 9
9 | 22
22 | 18
18 | 29
29 | 7
7 | 28
28 | 12
12 | 35
35 | 3
3 | 26
26 | 0

So has it provided a superior outcome using wheel pairs instead of table pairs in testing? No.  I'm missing whatever secret sauce that everyone else is apparently, as betting wheel pairs hasn't been successful over time for me.

All of this is a guess, but I feel Vaddi gave the pairs list so easily just because it wasn't the actual list.  He wanted people to go to the wheel instead.

[Proofreaders2000]

Bigbroben I have a suggestion.

Could you divide your sessions into spins of 50.  (Your typical session at a B&M)
You could do eight sessions.

[Bigbroben]

Why?  Easier to analyse?

[Proofreaders2000]

Yes

Also realistically people have to go to the restroom, have a meal,
spend time with family, etc. at a B&M.  Shouldn't you sessions reflect?

[jono1167]

I did as well and it failed quickly, had multiple streaks of 22 numbers out, but what did it in was too many 14-18 numbers out bets. Maybe I did it wrong though as it was just a fast read before I jumped into a quick test.

Hit numbers must be played always in my mind, too many repeats within 7 spins. I don't think any method will work just doing neighbors, especially table neighbors. 

Even wheel neighbors would be a challenge, but at least you may luck into a hot sector of the wheel due to bias or signature or what have you.  But table neighbor betting is a construct, man-made basically, the wheel could care less about the table.   

All good food for thought though, love this thread and all the experimenting going on.  Great job by all.

I'm worried that people haven't been able to achieve the same results as me (and Ben)... Maybe it is just luck, maybe it's got something to do with the roulette simulator I'm using. I'm starting to second guess everything now....

For clarity, let me repeat the rules I used to produce yesterday's chart. To reiterate, I did all testing manually, one spin at a time, record results, start again.

Rules (the rules are based on Ben's which he published on 15th Feb 2019)

The best way to explain the rules is to follow three strings which I recorded this morning. Follow these strings, they explain everything.... Remember, you need to bet two new numbers every time. In the examples below, string three shows how to handle a repeat.

1st betting string (+6 units)
First spin: #3. Bet numbers 2-4.
Second spin: #18. Bet numbers 2-4, 17-19.
Third spin: #20. Bet numbers 2-4, 17-19, 20-21 (19 was taken, so bet #20)
Fourth spin: #33. Bet numbers 2-4, 17-19, 20-21, 32-34.
Fifth spin: #9. Bet numbers  2-4, 17-19, 20-21, 32-34, 8-10.
Sixth spin: #19. Win = 6 unit profit (See table below).

2nd betting string (-20 units)
First spin: #7. Bet numbers 6-8.
Second spin: #0. Bet numbers 6-8, 1-36.
Third spin: #13. Bet numbers 6-8, 1-36, 12-14.
Fourth spin: #10. Bet numbers 6-8, 1-36, 12-14, 9-11.
Fifth spin: #31. Bet numbers  6-8, 1-36, 12-14, 9-11, 30-32.
Sixth spin: #34. Bet numbers  6-8, 1-36, 12-14, 9-11, 30-32, 33-35.
Seventh spin: #20. Bet numbers  6-8, 1-36, 12-14, 9-11, 30-32, 33-35, 19-21.
Eight spin: #35. It's a hit, but a loss = -20 unit (See table below).

3rd betting string (+6 units)
First spin: #3. Bet numbers 2-4.
Second spin: #11. Bet numbers 2-4, 10-12.
Third spin: #21. Bet numbers 2-4, 10-12, 20-22.
Fourth spin: #17. Bet numbers 2-4, 10-12, 20-22, 16-18.
Fifth spin: #21 (Repeat). Bet numbers 2-3-4, 10-12, 20-21-22, 16-18.
Sixth spin: #12. Win = 6 unit profit (See table below).


TABLE OF HITS
If a hit occurs on 2nd spin    +34 units
If a hit occurs on 3rd spin    +30 units
If a hit occurs on 4th spin    +24 units
If a hit occurs on 5th spin    +16 units
If a hit occurs on 6th Spin    +6  units
If a hit occurs on 7th spin    -6  units
If a hit occurs on 8th spin    -20 units
If a hit occurs on 9th spin    -36 units
If a hit occurs on 10th spin   -54 units
If a hit occurs on 11th spin   -74 units
If a hit occurs on 12th spin   -96 units (This never occurred during the 1000 spin test)