Vaddis Holy Grail

[Turkish4]

I’ve been testing this out past few days.

Magic number 8. When there are no repeats in 8 spins I start stage 1. First number drops, I bet 1 chip. Second number drops, I bet 1 chip on it and the previous number.

Some lucky hits in the beginning. Then it went to obviously 8 chips. I followed the rules and dropped the furthest number in my 8 and replaced it with the new one.

I purposely didn’t buy any table/wheel pairs just to see what would happen.

Two days of profit of roughly 200-300 units but a loss of 800 units today. What I noticed that there were times when table pairs would hit but more often wheel pairs would hit. There were too many times it hit a wheel neighbour which was supremely frustrating.

My thoughts brought me to la bomba. Should we bet one chip on repeats and half a chip on the wheel neighbours of the most recent four spins?

Works out to max 12 units per spin. Sometimes less because in your 8 numbers you could have 0-26 so you’d only place half a chip on 32 and 3

The other frustrating part was the minute you’d drop a number from your 8 numbers it appears 🥵

[Turkish4]

Or do you place half a chip on the 8 numbers and one full chip on wheel neighbours of the most recent 4 spins?

[boyd30]

A test playing the last four and then the numbers beside on table. Easy to test, but take some time doing it manual. Like Notto did. Don't know if the amount of units is the same. I just put 1 unit on each number. It seem to go up and down, but not climbing and not going down very deep? So if you just go for a win and then leave?  BBB did something similar. Guess it was betting the last four four times or only the last four?

[Kan@am@]

I’ve been testing this out past few days.

Magic number 8. When there are no repeats in 8 spins I start stage 1. First number drops, I bet 1 chip. Second number drops, I bet 1 chip on it and the previous number.

Some lucky hits in the beginning. Then it went to obviously 8 chips. I followed the rules and dropped the furthest number in my 8 and replaced it with the new one.

I purposely didn’t buy any table/wheel pairs just to see what would happen.

Two days of profit of roughly 200-300 units but a loss of 800 units today. What I noticed that there were times when table pairs would hit but more often wheel pairs would hit. There were too many times it hit a wheel neighbour which was supremely frustrating.

My thoughts brought me to la bomba. Should we bet one chip on repeats and half a chip on the wheel neighbours of the most recent four spins?

Works out to max 12 units per spin. Sometimes less because in your 8 numbers you could have 0-26 so you’d only place half a chip on 32 and 3

The other frustrating part was the minute you’d drop a number from your 8 numbers it appears 🥵

This is why Vaddi suggested : then doubles dropping you are there,then singles dropping you are there,and you need a system to capitalize on it.

[Turkish4]

This is why Vaddi suggested : then doubles dropping you are there,then singles dropping you are there,and you need a system to capitalize on it.

Question is:
Is it really wheel neighbours or the vaddi table pairs?

And do you only put 1chip on the 8 to catch doubles and half a chip on pairs?

Or do you put half a chip on the 8 for doubles and a full chip on the pairs?

[Kan@am@]

Question is:
Is it really wheel neighbours or the vaddi table pairs?

And do you only put 1chip on the 8 to catch doubles and half a chip on pairs?

Or do you put half a chip on the 8 for doubles and a full chip on the pairs?

He never mentioned anything about wheel pattern ,but he  mentioned to put one unit on double and one on single or one between.1/2 on each .It clearly suggest to use pairs.He also said that in his system "single must drop before double.Isnt it means that bets should be made on two neighbour until double shows up?.
One ship on doubles, half chip on doubles mentioned as an optional choice of betting.

[Bigbroben]

A test playing the last four and then the numbers beside on table. Easy to test, but take some time doing it manual. Like Notto did. Don't know if the amount of units is the same. I just put 1 unit on each number. It seem to go up and down, but not climbing and not going down very deep? So if you just go for a win and then leave?  BBB did something similar. Guess it was betting the last four four times or only the last four?

There are so many ways that I tested!  I did this one:  + and - pairs of last 4 nrs, add until a hit, reset.  The result was really good on the first test and average on the second, if I remember well.

What if it's a unit on the split of hit nrs?  When a split hits: if it's a repeater, slide to 1u on the unhit, if its a new hit nr, remove the unit or leave it on  both nrs?

Will try.

[Kan@am@]

There are so many ways that I tested!  I did this one:  + and - pairs of last 4 nrs, add until a hit, reset.  The result was really good on the first test and average on the second, if I remember well.

What if it's a unit on the split of hit nrs?  When a split hits: if it's a repeater, slide to 1u on the unhit, if its a new hit nr, remove the unit or leave it on  both nrs?

Will try.

Looks like an idea.

[jono1167]

You said it Ben. The downslopes coincided with repeaters hitting like crazy.

When repeaters started happening, all momentum was lost.

After chatting with Ben last Saturday, we realized that the appearance of repeats was slowing the momentum of this system. We noticed the dips in the chart generally seemed to coincide with the appearance of repeats. To refresh your memory, under the original system rules, all hits were left blank. Only to +1/-1 neighbors were covered.

I personally ran 3,000 test spins and never recorded a catastrophic loss. The wins easily covered the small loss which did occur.

For the next test series I decided to cover the hit numbers as well as +1/-1 on either side. Initially it was working beautifully. After the first 540 spins I was +800 units. Unfortunately over the next 450 spins there was a big correction and everything leveled out.  Please see the attached chart.

CHART - ALL FLAT BET. 1000 SPINS - 394 UNITS PROFIT.

A great start and then very underwhelming.....

[Kan@am@]

After chatting with Ben last Saturday, we realized that the appearance of repeats was slowing the momentum of this system. We noticed the dips in the chart generally seemed to coincide with the appearance of repeats. To refresh your memory, under the original system rules, all hits were left blank. Only to +1/-1 neighbors were covered.

I personally ran 3,000 test spins and never recorded a catastrophic loss. The wins easily covered the small loss which did occur.

For the next test series I decided to cover the hit numbers as well as +1/-1 on either side. Initially it was working beautifully. After the first 540 spins I was +800 units. Unfortunately over the next 450 spins there was a big correction and everything leveled out.  Please see the attached chart.

CHART - ALL FLAT BET. 1000 SPINS - 394 UNITS PROFIT.

A great start and then very underwhelming.....

Now imagine spin #540 being your first bet in that session.

[Gandhi]

This is why Vaddi suggested : then doubles dropping you are there,then singles dropping you are there,and you need a system to capitalize on it.

But he also said you won't be able to catch all repeats..

[jono1167]

Now imagine spin #540 being your first bet in that session.

Exactly, starting at spin #540 you spend the next 450 spins in the negative. You finally quit with a 394 unit loss. System busted!

This is why we test .

Time to put Notto's system through its paces....

[Kan@am@]

But he also said you won't be able to catch all repeats..

if you bet 4 or 8 on doubles than you obviously won't catch all doubles.If you bet only on 4 doubles ,then you will get 4 hits in average in one 37 spin cycle.

[Bigbroben]

It might be ok though to give different values to reps, unhits, hits.  Playing the hit nr and both pairs at equal values is pretty much like playing mobile streets, which is not the aim here.

If reporting to the real wheel, most splits have their ''pairs''.  Look at 0,32,15, for example, diametrally opposed to 16,33,1.
Say 32 is a repeater, you could I guess put a unit on 32 (or 32/33?) and 1u on 15/16, so you're taking advantage of sector bias (if any) and unhits.

Or 12/13: 35/36 on one side, 27/28 on the other, although not exactly opposite.

Vaddis original scheme was applied to real wheel and maybe the unit/half-unit can ba applied to real wheel splits neighbouring the repeater.  A few nrs don't have this easy split setup, but most of them.

I guess, unless Rs's random is flawed and giving the player an better output than it should, I guess a real wheel's results might be better than just random when conditions are good.

[Bigbroben]

Passion,
What is your answer to the crazy scientist's question?  How do you do it?