Vaddis Holy Grail

[Proofreaders2000]

Test: Version1.5 @ Jackpot Capital Casino American
Wheel-Wednesday, March 27,2019 @ 11:21am CDT USA

...16,2,12,25,17,11 (newest spin-value)

Bet 12, 13, 25, 26, 17, 18, 11, 10:    1.) 29(x)-8

Bet 25, 26, 17. 18, 11, 12, 29, 30:    2.) 5(x)-8

Bet 17, 18, 11, 12, 29, 30, 5, 6:         3.) 6(win)+28
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[Proofreaders2000]

Test: Version 1.5 @ Vegas2Web Casino European
Wheel-Wednesday, March 27,2019 @ 11:40am CDT USA

...8,27,12,11 (newest spin-value)

Bet 11, 10, 12, 13, 27, 28, 8, 9:    1.) 28(win)+28

[Proofreaders2000]

Test: Version1.5 @ Jackpot Capital Casino European
Wheel-Wednesday, March 27,2019 @ 12:08pm CDT USA

...4,34,8,35 (newest spin-value)

Bet 4, 5, 34, 33, 8, 9, 35, 36:        1.) 17(x)-8

Bet 34, 33, 8, 9, 35, 36, 17, 18:    2.) 3(x)-8

Bet 8, 9, 35, 36, 17, 18, 3, 4:        3.) 30(x)-8

Bet 35, 36, 17, 18, 3, 4, 30, 31:    4.) 1(x)-8

Bet 17, 18, 3, 4, 30, 31, 1, 2:        5.) 13(x)-8

Bet 3, 4, 30, 31, 1, 2, 13, 14:        6.) 31(win)+28

Bet 30, 31, 1, 2, 13, 14, 31, 32:    7.) 1(win)+28
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[Turkish4]

Is there anybody from the old money maker forum here that spoke to vaddi before?

[Elite]

what i understand Vaadi system, is numbers come in random , but at the end they will be in order, so you have to design a system which is not random but its in  order ....Simple logic... ++ when numbers will be in order, soon  or late, that depends on how numbers connect after every 4 spins, this need careful observation of how number conect e.g if 22, 26,24  if such type  of numbers connections come then most probably, order will b not soon

[Mako]

For me personally I can't believe that certain people are having success with Vaddi-inspired methods of play using carpet neighbors. 

I really expected it to rely on wheel neighbors, to catch dealers who were unintentionally hitting sectors repeatedly, or another mechanic that produced a higher hit rate than expected due to external factors (defective wheel, VB, etc, without tracking.  Just lucking into it due to following wheel neighbors basically). 

But Ben and Jono have done solid testing otherwise, large scale, and carpet neighbors, even with RNG, have produced some tentative results.   

[Proofreaders2000]

Gentlemen.

Aren't we all here to find the Grail?

Bigbroben and Jono have made favorable
contributions.  Where is yours Mako?

Frankly I would like to see this thread
die.  Why continue enticing people?

btw @PassionRuletta: those silly systems have made me money.
(I also await your next puzzle)

[Turkish4]

For me personally I can't believe that certain people are having success with Vaddi-inspired methods of play using carpet neighbors. 

I really expected it to rely on wheel neighbors, to catch dealers who were unintentionally hitting sectors repeatedly, or another mechanic that produced a higher hit rate than expected due to external factors (defective wheel, VB, etc, without tracking.  Just lucking into it due to following wheel neighbors basically). 

But Ben and Jono have done solid testing otherwise, large scale, and carpet neighbors, even with RNG, have produced some tentative results.   

Hi Mako! I still think carpet neighbours has a bit of a legit claim to be part of the vaddi system. Some areas match up between the mat and the wheel.
0/32 - 1/33
1/20 - 2/21
2/25 - 3/26
6/27 - 7/28
7/29 - 30/8
9/22 - 10/23
12/35 - 13/36
14/31-15/32
24/16 - 25/17

You can see that they line up next to each other on the wheel but are considered vaddi pairs.

[Bigbroben]

Hi Mako! I still think carpet neighbours has a bit of a legit claim to be part of the vaddi system. Some areas match up between the mat and the wheel.
0/32 - 1/33
1/20 - 2/21
2/25 - 3/26
6/27 - 7/28
7/29 - 30/8
9/22 - 10/23
12/35 - 13/36
14/31-15/32
24/16 - 25/17

You can see that they line up next to each other on the wheel but are considered vaddi pairs.

That is true.  If splits are to be thrown in the recipe, these nrs/alignments are to be considered.

Tests can look good for a few hundred/thousand spins: they show potential.  Still, sims I run can be resilient like crazy, giving 4-5% edge for tens of thousands of spins, flat, but all of sudden something shifts and it sinks.
Should we call a HG if a test shows better than -2.7% after a million spin?  It's better than random, but can always be blamed on luck.
Variance can last stunningly long on different tests, enough to be tempted to shout Eureka.  But most likely this would be a too early call, for half an hour and 10000 cycles later it can be back to expected loss.

Here is for example a test result I'm running right now, 1053 games down the road,so maybe 30000 spins.


Could stop right there, start a new thread, say ''I wish I could share openly Roulette Grail'', shoot a few lines, comments, mysteries, yell: '' See you in a million dollars'' and head to the casino.

Vaddi had NOT made a million dollars yet when he published his clues.  Maybe he had been onto it for a few years, max, this would hardly be a thousand days or game starts.  Too early to call, according to variance behavior.  If he's making about 1u per spin, and putting no more than 8 units on the board, that is +10-15% edge.  This can happen for a few thousand spins, I have seen tests doing so.  It can change for the next few thousand spins and even out.

Will let my test run for a while and will show results.

[Bigbroben]

4000 runs overall:



Glad I didn't become a guru to anyone, I'd have to lie about how great my system is and keep it mystical.

[Firefox]

As you said, open your "Almost HG" thread and just publish the first 900 spins.

Then do a few more runs. Ignore the ones that go negative and publish the good ones!

[luckyfella]

4000 runs overall:



Glad I didn't become a guru to anyone, I'd have to lie about how great my system is.

Nice test.

Some people lose sense of perspective that roulette is gambling.

Vaddi, like everything else, is a suckers fantasy. Telling it as it is. Have fun with the graphs.

[Turkish4]

Hahah I always love reading your posts! Always make me chuckle! I think there has to be some trigger or some point of entry for Vaddi.

I recall reading on the money maker thread that "It becomes so easy that you can play at anytime" but i dont think that is necessarily true. As your tests point out, there are times where it just goes downhill and fast. Even for me, I have experienced 20 spins where i didn't get a repeat within the 8 spin radius and my banroll went to zilch very quickly.

[Mako]

Hahah I always love reading your posts! Always make me chuckle! I think there has to be some trigger or some point of entry for Vaddi.

I recall reading on the money maker thread that "It becomes so easy that you can play at anytime" but i dont think that is necessarily true. As your tests point out, there are times where it just goes downhill and fast. Even for me, I have experienced 20 spins where i didn't get a repeat within the 8 spin radius and my banroll went to zilch very quickly.

Yeah, Vaddi is a tough riddle because we don’t know of anyone that’s managed to pin it it down.  Gordon and a few others have managed to do well adding a few of the core principals to other methods of play though, enough to where even if they’re not 100% they’re close enough.

Last year I tested tens of thousands of real world spins on wheel neighbors, their forward pairs, and splitting (betting a forward pairing of a number that’s already shown), trying to see if any of the individual pieces of the Vaddi puzzle could be isolated. As Ben mentioned, some of the tests showed long runs of success, but ultimately were close enough to EV that I didn’t feel they were anything close to being reliable winners.

Splits always arrived late in cycles though, often enough that just going after them using a progression had above +EV results for long periods.  Playing them starting after spin 24 or so to arrive before spin 37 did extremely well. It was strong during extended tests, so much so that I though it might be something that could be built on, but occasionally a cycle would go by without a hit and the session would lose and examining the “why” of the failure didn’t lead to any additional clues. Trail went cold...

Still fun to waste time on the mystery...real or not. 

The search continues.

[nottophammer]

Still fun to waste time on the mystery...real or not. 

The search continues.

Better to waste your time, instead of hitting the bottle