Nice little earner!!

[bleep24]

Hi Mogul397,

Sorry I have not posted any results yet.  It is not a 5 minute job and I have a very busy schedule this week, but I will do so when I am able.

Regards,    Brian

[nottophammer]

I went through about half of it. A lot of doubles.

yes Mogul
could not get infront always behind.

[mogul397]

Hi Mogul397,

Sorry I have not posted any results yet.  It is not a 5 minute job and I have a very busy schedule this week, but I will do so when I am able.

Regards,    Brian

Hey, thanks for stopping by to check in Brian.  Guess you don't have frivolous holidays like "Labor day".
That was today. Makes calling Sunday a day off look like practice. In face we were talking about how
today was a REAL day off. No compay or meals. Do what you want.  You must take the concept literally
and ACTUALLY WORK on "labor day".


Yes, it takes some time I guess.  Depends on how you want to present it. As you can read I requested that if
people want to know about this they format the numbers they post into EC groups. That is most of the work
anyway and then visually you can see good or bad.

That generator that I posted does that work for you as well. Doesn't keep count of wins, but it
shows you string counts of wins/losses and you can add them up at a glance.

[mogul397]

yes Mogul
could not get infront always behind.

Yes. That is my point. So I don't see how bleep is doing it. Of course he is using a progression.
And a profitable, safe, application of that will be the key.

But I think/wonder if not following the trend and sticking to what is trending will help.

[bleep24]

Hi Nottophammer,

That was a terrible run of numbers that you posted.  Not  even I could do anything with it.  I did count 36 numbers and I usually play in sessions of about 60 so it may have turned around.  Were you on RNG (playing or just recording) or were you on Live.  I only play Live.  What I do do is look back over previous spins (around 16 maybe) to see what is coming out before I start betting.   I want to see chains of 3/4/5. (this could be the key to why I am winning)  In your posting there was only one chain and that was a four, so I would not have been playing on that table.  I know it is stupid to see what has been out previously, but generally whatever trend you see will continue.  It could be a bias towards black, or a bias towards low numbers etc. I play another system on single numbers and I look to see if these numbers are coming out.  It is amazing but not once in 60 spins will any of these 6 numbers appear and it happens time after time, then in another 60 spins they will appear 20 times.
Cheers.

[nottophammer]

Bri
Always RNG.
you have given some more info to consider, cheers

[bleep24]

Hi Nottophammer,

RNG explains it.  I NEVER play on RNG.  I used to but saw very strange happenings (e.g.   18 x 2 blacks consecutively and    I would be playing for opposite to appear)   I play mostly on Wm. Hill and according to some posts that I have seen on forums Wm. Hill is the worst RNG going.   I was not betting last night but had a look at tables on Live Wm. Hill  -  one table in particular was going like the clappers and I reckon churned out more than 20 wins with about 10 losers in just over 30 spins (this was just for my own satisfaction after looking at your run of numbers: I wanted to see if looking at past results really was the key to this, though I know that a change of dealer can change everything, but I have also seen bias continuing through several dealers.   How it is that lots of blacks/evens/highs etc. doz 1/col.1 can come out is a mystery.  Hitting same number/sector we have all seen and is easy to explain.
Cheers,   
Brian

[bleep24]

Hi Guys,

Just been on Wm. Hill casino home page where you can view up to 6 tables together.   5 of them were putting out chains of 3 or more but one table was putting lots of 2`s.  I know it can all change in the blink of an eye, but I would be avoiding that 2`s table like the plague if I had been wanting to play.

Keep this in mind before you start betting (with any system/strategy/method) it will give you an insight into the trend (if there is one)
(e.g.   numbers repeating/chains of any E/C`s etc.)
Regards,     Brian

[mogul397]

Hi Nottophammer,

That was a terrible run of numbers that you posted.  Not  even I could do anything with it.  I did count 36 numbers and I usually play in sessions of about 60 so it may have turned around.  Were you on RNG (playing or just recording) or were you on Live.  I only play Live.  What I do do is look back over previous spins (around 16 maybe) to see what is coming out before I start betting.   I want to see chains of 3/4/5. (this could be the key to why I am winning)  In your posting there was only one chain and that was a four, so I would not have been playing on that table.  I know it is stupid to see what has been out previously, but generally whatever trend you see will continue.  It could be a bias towards black, or a bias towards low numbers etc. I play another system on single numbers and I look to see if these numbers are coming out.  It is amazing but not once in 60 spins will any of these 6 numbers appear and it happens time after time, then in another 60 spins they will appear 20 times.
Cheers.

I agree bleep.

If you look back to post 14 and 15 in this thread you will see my explanation of Mr C, which has a similar principle, but he also always encorporated the "movie test".  When you go to a movie you see if you
like it and will stay from the first 10-15 minutes. If you don't like the movie you leave.

Of course the information I have been tossing out has been based on that generator that I posted, but
I've also been looking at zumma here and there.

At Plainridge they have the "wheels" that actually spin the ball mechanically. "Airball"?
And it does it pretty quick.  Maybe I'll shoot down there today for a half hour and see.
I have a bunch of pages of data from there. But none formatted with the EC's. I can
do a trip there in an hour.

What I was looking at in more detail was the idea of playing the last result. But what I was doing
was playing the dominant of the last 3.  So if 2 out of the last 3 was doubles, play for a double,
and if >double for 2 out of 3, play for >2.  Also I was specifically looking and tracking this
on the individual EC.  Red. Black. High   Low. Not the pair. Not sure if this makes any difference,
but it seemed to keep me on track.

What do you think of the airball. It's a real ball.

[mogul397]

I just grabbed my book and it turns out that I put R/B on a lot of my
data.

The first page was choppy. Then I noticed that there were some zeros.
I don't like having to factor around them and remember what Brian said about
them.

My 2nd page went well. It was kind of an even distribution..
Still may shoot down today.

So what is the consensus about how to bet?

[bleep24]

Hello Mogul397,

I have never played air-ball.  There are enough tables without it and in on-line play no faster than Live.   Not quite sure what you are saying regarding 2`s and 3`s.   Whole point of the way I suggest is that should 2 black come out 8 times consecutively for example it will be interspersed with 3`s of other E/C`s so that you are not faced with a big (losing) progression.   If you are playing/winning by whatever means I will not knock it.   With the vast majority of ideas on this forum I have added my own tweak after finding some flaw in the idea.  Nice little earner is my `rock` system.  My other two are:   betting 0 1 2 3 as singles (total units = 4) 9 times but only after a 0 1 2 or 3 has appeared.  The other is `Gamlett`s` system.   Bet 13 17 19 23 29 31 for 6 times with 1 unit on each, but only (this is different to the way that Gamlett posted it) after I have checked previous spins and see that some of these numbers are coming out.  Note what I said earlier about checking previous spins to get a trend.  I am not saying my way is better than Gamletts overall, but he says bet regardless and that can mean losing 216 (or more/less) before you hopefully hit a massive winning streak, and yes I have seen massive winning streaks with this, but I do not fancy losing 200+ units before I win.
There`s lots to think about.  Best of luck at the casino later.
Brian

[mogul397]

Hello Mogul397,

I have never played air-ball.  There are enough tables without it and in on-line play no faster than Live.   Not quite sure what you are saying regarding 2`s and 3`s.   Whole point of the way I suggest is that should 2 black come out 8 times consecutively for example it will be interspersed with 3`s of other E/C`s so that you are not faced with a big (losing) progression.   If you are playing/winning by whatever means I will not knock it.   With the vast majority of ideas on this forum I have added my own tweak after finding some flaw in the idea.  Nice little earner is my `rock` system.  My other two are:   betting 0 1 2 3 as singles (total units = 4) 9 times but only after a 0 1 2 or 3 has appeared.  The other is `Gamlett`s` system.   Bet 13 17 19 23 29 31 for 6 times with 1 unit on each, but only (this is different to the way that Gamlett posted it) after I have checked previous spins and see that some of these numbers are coming out.  Note what I said earlier about checking previous spins to get a trend.  I am not saying my way is better than Gamletts overall, but he says bet regardless and that can mean losing 216 (or more/less) before you hopefully hit a massive winning streak, and yes I have seen massive winning streaks with this, but I do not fancy losing 200+ units before I win.
There`s lots to think about.  Best of luck at the casino later.
Brian

Brian,
I'm not sure where you keep getting caught up in the 2 or 3 EC thing.  Let me state some things.

1)  The concept that you use, being to play for a 3rd EC after two is basically the same as any
other way of looking at an EC.  50/50.  Theoretically, no matter where you draw the line, the next
result has a 50/50 chance.  So if you wait for 4 in a row of something, half the time the next
result will be the same. The other half it will be opposite.

2) So embracing this as a strategy is simply to put a wrapper around the thing. You could regress and
just play red or black.  Either or.  Or you could play "last result", which looks for a repeat. And
on and on. In my post in the thread I am presenting that Mr C stuff.  Of course it's craps (still EC. Pass
and don't pass)  And it centers around the idea of looking for two of one kind and playing the other.
That is the same as what you are doing, except the opposite. If you remember, there should be
a 50/50 chance of either happening. So it's just the other side. And my reason for mentioning it
is that it was a very strong example from my past where someone claimed to have success.

That's good. Right?  It's not an attempt to morph in some other thing.  It's just looking at ECs
the same way and showing that someone made a living off it.

3) based on that, you would simply be looking at two different cases. Since you are not
chasing streaks, that just leave two things on the EC. Heads or tails. Either after two
of a kind you get a 3rd. Or you don't (which leaves a doublet.  2 in a row. There is no embedded
magic here..

Does that clarify it? Every response from you seems to carry some confusion about this simple
concept. I though it was self evident in a gambling arena that I didn't have to explain it like
a 3rd grader.  So in a way, I hope we can move past it.

EXCEPT!!!!!!!!

I'm trying to figure out how, on a coin flip, or on a 50/50 chance of something you claim to
be making all these units.  And the claim is pretty big.  I mean a small variant MIGHT be
5 units out of 50-100 spins.  YOU claim some profit that almost looks like you cash in
every spin.  How can that be?

I did stop by the casino today and the results that I got came out fairly even.
"EVEN", if you missed what I said, was results of 3 in a row or more, or just two in a row
and the 3rd spin a change.  That is what is expected.

The "airball" machine, you seem to be saying is no faster than regular.  This thing
fires out a ball on a real spinning roulette wheel of normal size.  Then the result comes in.
And it goes again  The time between spins is roughly 1 minute if that. Once the result is
announces it's a few seconds before the ball gets thrown and a few more "no more bets".

It was funny that you poked at me about English being my 2nd language. But I'm trying
to figure out, on your part, what you don't understand or how you are stuck on basic roulette
stuff and basic averages.

Some of the results (nohammer results included) seemed unusually skewed. And it was becoming
a common occurrence.  Getting blamed on the RNG I guess.  SO I'm still waiting to see one
of your workouts (betting amounts and progression included) to show some of the actual bets,
wins, and profits.

Like I said, my run today went pretty even (dare I say, WHICHEVER side of the coin you were
betting on. Which is the point. The coin only has two sides).

2's and 3's?  Well "3", I guess, is just shorthand for "3 or more".   Greater than 2. Which is
what you play for.  If it doesn't do that then you don't have 3 or more. You're left with the
2 in a row (that was your signal).  And that is a doublet.

[bleep24]

Hi Mogul397,
Yes I do follow you and yes every spin on E/C`s are 50/50.  You could play same as last or different to last but I have found with this strategy that you can get quite a lot wrong leading to a big progression, depending which you are playing (GR8 is pretty safe)  Air-ball spins every minute and so does Live and that is why I play Live.  There is no time difference so it is just my preference.
I wait for 2 same to become 3.   If you play same as last and you get RBRBRBRBRB etc. then you are in a hole waiting for RRRRRRRR etc.  Same if you are playing different to last.
If you are playing +1/-1  then even if it works out exactly say 20 wins/20 losses depending how they come out then you lose 20 x 1 but would gain it back +1 on 20 spins. e.g.    -1 stake / next -2 stake +4 win x 20 = +20.   I know that that is simplistic but it gives you the idea why 50/50 is OK. and if you look for the trend it can be much more than 50/50 which is basically what I do.  When I said I win between 10 and 40 units in about 60 spins.  40 would be very exceptional and the norm. is probably between 15-25 units.  I have recorded on paper a session of about 60 spins but I do not have the knowledge to make posting this easy but I will get around to it shortly.
Regards,   Brian     

[bleep24]

Hi Mogul397,
I do not at the moment play differential betting but this way can be used on E/C`s.   Cuts down on stakes and losses when a zero hits but you still need winners.  I do not trumpet `nice little earner` as the Holy Grail, but it works for me which is what I care about.  There are probably other systems that work as well but they involve big bank-rolls or mega stakes and sometimes big wipe outs.  I prefer to avoid this sort of play but yes I will not get rich with it unless I want to play for 1 hour per day on 8 different casinos, which I do not.

I am sure that you have your own favourite system just like me but are always looking at others to see if there is something better out there.
Let me know when you find it.
Regards,    Brian

[nottophammer]

 mogul397
theres plenty of sheets posted by me in winkels holy grail on here,there all RNG UK bookmakers, so you can check for yourself