Nice little earner!!

[bleep24]

Hi again Mogul397,

I have not checked against RNG - you know what I think of it.  Why I wait for 2`s is to avoid RBRBRB etc. etc. but I mentioned differential staking because you could both play for it to stay 2 and at the same time for it to become 3.  Just a suggestion - there`s more than one way to skin a cat!

Good luck,     Brian

[mogul397]

Hi Mogul397,
Yes I do follow you and yes every spin on E/C`s are 50/50.  You could play same as last or different to last but I have found with this strategy that you can get quite a lot wrong leading to a big progression, depending which you are playing (GR8 is pretty safe)  Air-ball spins every minute and so does Live and that is why I play Live.  There is no time difference so it is just my preference.
I wait for 2 same to become 3.   If you play same as last and you get RBRBRBRBRB etc. then you are in a hole waiting for RRRRRRRR etc.  Same if you are playing different to last.
If you are playing +1/-1  then even if it works out exactly say 20 wins/20 losses depending how they come out then you lose 20 x 1 but would gain it back +1 on 20 spins. e.g.    -1 stake / next -2 stake +4 win x 20 = +20.   I know that that is simplistic but it gives you the idea why 50/50 is OK. and if you look for the trend it can be much more than 50/50 which is basically what I do.  When I said I win between 10 and 40 units in about 60 spins.  40 would be very exceptional and the norm. is probably between 15-25 units.  I have recorded on paper a session of about 60 spins but I do not have the knowledge to make posting this easy but I will get around to it shortly.
Regards,   Brian     

Hi Bleep,

1) Not sure what you mean by "you can get quite a lot wrong leading to
a big progression".

2) The point of the RNG or airball is that they are quicker. I never saw a
real dealer keep up to the speed of those. In face, at Twin Rivers once they had
one dealer and she had do to everything, including collect and stack the crazy
amount of chips. I left to the RNG and came back in like 15 min and there were
4 more spins on the marquis.

3) Not sure what you're saying with the +1/-1.  You say it works out and
resolves with 50/50. You are right. But that doesn't usually happen. And let me
put it a different way for you to think about.  In the collection of even wins and
losses, the wins get swallowed up in the math. So let's pick an example. You
play and you get 10 wins in a row. Then 10 losses. Statistically you are even.
You won 10, 1 unit wins. And you pushed into your progression 10 steps on the loss
(1,2,3,4, etc) and logically are stuck at that drawdown.  As opposed to, say,
losing 5 and winning 5. Still even, but came back to gound zero.

So eventually you get stuck in a bad place.

4) I suppose if you have a reasonable spread or results with that, your
actual wins are 1 unit every other spin.  So it could be 30 units in 60 spins.
My question that I wonder  (and hope) with this kind of play is that
for some reason it keeps you away from the crap I talked about in #3
above and keeps your progression out of trouble. Don't know if you think this.
Or know this.

But remember. Real people usually end up at $5 tables. Not 25 cent or $1.
Or at least to make something worth the time, you've got to so something
to make it work your while. But D'alenbert looss 1-10 brings you down 55 units,
which is $275 at a $5 table. And as I said, it usually leaves you in a bad spot.

Even if you won a bit, you can get left sitting in a bedpan on the 4-5-6 level
hoping to get back. And in a weird way, it's almost like you took a loan, and
are just waiting to get it paid off. The "win" doesn't become so much the nature
of your +1 wins, as it does to dig out of your losses.

[mogul397]

Hi Mogul397,
I do not at the moment play differential betting but this way can be used on E/C`s.   Cuts down on stakes and losses when a zero hits but you still need winners.  I do not trumpet `nice little earner` as the Holy Grail, but it works for me which is what I care about.  There are probably other systems that work as well but they involve big bank-rolls or mega stakes and sometimes big wipe outs.  I prefer to avoid this sort of play but yes I will not get rich with it unless I want to play for 1 hour per day on 8 different casinos, which I do not.

I am sure that you have your own favourite system just like me but are always looking at others to see if there is something better out there.
Let me know when you find it.
Regards,    Brian

Yeah, but I never hear you talk about a "losing session", or what that might
even entail.  You sound like you're easily kicking the can down the road.
(Or at $1 unit, you don't care much)

[mogul397]

Hi again Mogul397,

I have not checked against RNG - you know what I think of it.  Why I wait for 2`s is to avoid RBRBRB etc. etc. but I mentioned differential staking because you could both play for it to stay 2 and at the same time for it to become 3.  Just a suggestion - there`s more than one way to skin a cat!

Good luck,     Brian

Well I'm disappointed because when I saw this it sounded like you were onto something that was
close to my heart with this.  But the runs I make are so so.  Unless the Dalenbert keeps you out
of trouble. Like I said, you're +1 units win could simply be to pay back the table to dig yourself
out of the negative on that.

[mogul397]

mogul397
theres plenty of sheets posted by me in winkels holy grail on here,there all RNG UK bookmakers, so you can check for yourself

Please explain?

Post the link?

What am I looking for?

And how are you testing this, and how are you doing?

[bleep24]

Hi Mogul397,
Been very busy these past few days and on top of that the on-line casino that I play at most has changed (I was on auto log in) and it has taken me hours to find my way back and get it going again.   When I said about air-ball being faster than dealer   that only applies in real casinos, not on-line where I play.  Yes you could win 10 then lose 10 in a row - that is the whole idea of betting across all E/C`s because I do not believe that 10 losses in a row will happen (that would be some really bad luck)   Do not forget that I am playing +1/-1  so it will not always work WLWLWL but it  usually works about that so that equates to 50/50   less 1 - plus 2.    Have you seen on this forum in the past few days postings regarding playing E/C chains?   I even get a mention!!    Perhaps you should have a look at them. I am at my holiday home in the countryside now and wi-fi signal is not good but I will reply more fully when I get back home.
Regards and good luck,  Brian

[bleep24]

Hi Mogul397,

I never mention a loss because I have never had one playing this.   Could just be down to luck - I do not know.   Just had a look at a series of numbers I had recorded and progression was this.    +1 +1 -1 -2 +3 -2 -3 +4 +3 -2 -3 -4 +5 +4 +3 -2 -3 -4 +5 +4 +3 -2 -3 +4 +3 +2 +1 -2 +1 +1 -1 -2 +3 +2 +1      ==  +18   (15 losers - 20 winners)   which is a typical outcome.  Yes I usually play 1 unit = 1 GB pound so not risking a great amount.   Steady as she goes.  Look at spin history to see if dealer is throwing out loads of singles and doubles (do not play that table) look for chains of 3/4/5 or more and play there. I will not be tweaking this or playing any other version of E/C`s (though I did used to like look for 2B or 2R and play for a 3rd same and stop after 3 losses or a win - very similar to what I am playing now)
Cheers and good luck

 

[mogul397]

Hi Mogul397,

I never mention a loss because I have never had one playing this.   Could just be down to luck - I do not know.   Just had a look at a series of numbers I had recorded and progression was this.    +1 +1 -1 -2 +3 -2 -3 +4 +3 -2 -3 -4 +5 +4 +3 -2 -3 -4 +5 +4 +3 -2 -3 +4 +3 +2 +1 -2 +1 +1 -1 -2 +3 +2 +1      ==  +18   (15 losers - 20 winners)   which is a typical outcome.  Yes I usually play 1 unit = 1 GB pound so not risking a great amount.   Steady as she goes.  Look at spin history to see if dealer is throwing out loads of singles and doubles (do not play that table) look for chains of 3/4/5 or more and play there. I will not be tweaking this or playing any other version of E/C`s (though I did used to like look for 2B or 2R and play for a 3rd same and stop after 3 losses or a win - very similar to what I am playing now)
Cheers and good luck

I always think it's interesting when someone plays and shows results all the time of a method that,
logically, should fail at some level. The truth is that you should be able to play a martingale pretty well,
and not bust. The table where I am now has a $3 min (was $5 or $10 when it opened up, but I guess
they smartened up). And a $1500 max.

Thank you for showing me that run. Another thing that I've noticed, from examples in systems that
I've bought (like Silverthorne) is that the examples are always favorable to the system. So you have
to admit that 20 wins and 15 losers is good.  Point made.

I went yesterday and wrote down results. I'm not sure if you are playing multiple EC's at the
same time, or just one. Can you tell me that?

Here are the results from yesterday, formatted to this system.  Can you please run them and/or
comment on them?

From 9/11 (Today is my and my daughter birthday. Happy birthday to us)

Red/black:  B B R B B R R R R R R B 00 B B R R R B B B R B B R R B B R R R R B'R R B B B B R R R B B R 00 R 00 B B R B R B R R R R B B B R R R R B B B B B B R R B R R R R B B B R 0 B B R R R B B B R R B B 00 R B B R

ODD/EVEN O O O E O O E E O O E E O E O O E O E O E E O O E E E E O E O E O O O E E E O O O O E O 00 E 00 E E O O E O E O E O E O E O E O E O E E O E E E O E E E O E E E O O E O O O O O O E E E O E E O E E

HIGH/LOW  L H H H L L H L H H L L 00 L H H L H H H L L L H H L L L L L L L H L H H L L H H L H H H H 00 H 00 L L L L L H L H L L L H L L H L H L L L L L L H L H L L H H L H L L 0 H L L H L H L H H H L L H 00 H L H H

[mogul397]

I always think it's interesting when someone plays and shows results all the time of a method that,
logically, should fail at some level. The truth is that you should be able to play a martingale pretty well,
and not bust. The table where I am now has a $3 min (was $5 or $10 when it opened up, but I guess
they smartened up). And a $1500 max.

Thank you for showing me that run. Another thing that I've noticed, from examples in systems that
I've bought (like Silverthorne) is that the examples are always favorable to the system. So you have
to admit that 20 wins and 15 losers is good.  Point made.

I went yesterday and wrote down results. I'm not sure if you are playing multiple EC's at the
same time, or just one. Can you tell me that?

Here are the results from yesterday, formatted to this system.  Can you please run them and/or
comment on them?

From 9/11 (Today is my and my daughter birthday. Happy birthday to us)

Red/black:  B B R B B R R R R R R B 00 B B R R R B B B R B B R R B B R R R R B'R R B B B B R R R B B R 00 R 00 B B R B R B R R R R B B B R R R R B B B B B B R R B R R R R B B B R 0 B B R R R B B B R R B B 00 R B B R

ODD/EVEN O O O E O O E E O O E E O E O O E O E O E E O O E E E E O E O E O O O E E E O O O O E O 00 E 00 E E O O E O E O E O E O E O E O E O E E O E E E O E E E O E E E O O E O O O O O O E E E O E E O E E

HIGH/LOW  L H H H L L H L H H L L 00 L H H L H H H L L L H H L L L L L L L H L H H L L H H L H H H H 00 H 00 L L L L L H L H L L L H L L H L H L L L L L L H L H L L H H L H L L 0 H L L H L H L H H H L L H 00 H L H

Two things I noticed with this was the occasional strings of chops and also there were never more
than 6 in a row. Longest.

[mogul397]

Here are my results from that data

Red/black-1+2+1+1-1-2-3+4-3+4+3-2-3+4
+3+2-1+2+1-1+2+1-1-2-3

+9   +13 max

Odd/even

+1+1+1-1-2-3+4+3+2-1+2-1

+7

High/low

+1-1-2-3-4+5+4-3+4-3-4+5+4
+3+2-1-2-3-4+5-4

-1     8 Max.

not too bad. Glad I stayed with it!!!!

[bleep24]

Hi Mogul397.

Yes I play all 3 E/C`s at same time (Betting after a 2 of any of them have come out)  That is the whole point to give diversity to outcomes (adjust stakes - If I have lost say 3 units, if next betting opportunity throws out 2 x 2 then I will bet 2 units on each and hope that both win but if not adjust stakes for next opportunity and so on.   I could not check your results as they were split into R/B - H/L -O/E and I would not know where each chain of 2 had occurred in relation to the other E/C`s - sorry.   Yes wins of 20 and losses of 15 in that example were good but not exceptional and are more or less typical of outcomes.   I look for the trend (the trend is your friend) before commencing to bet so that I hope that I am on the right track, but whilst playing you do need to keep an eye on it, especially if there is a change of dealer.  Not me, but someone else said that roughly 75% of numbers are in chains.  Yes that will include chains of 2 but also 3/4/5/6 etc.   I do not play on after winning on 3rd of the same.  Only reason for this is it gets a bit complicated and wins can wipe out winnings. So if you win on 3, then 4 and lose on 5 you are no better off.   Only when it goes to 5 and above are you winning more and the longer the chain the less frequent and you can be missing other opportunities. Your results and your comment - not too bad.  I agree, keep on playing like that and hopefully not too bad will be your comment every time that you play.  I cannot play at moment as wi-fi connection is up and down and too unreliable if I was in the middle of a series., but text just like this it is OK.  Back home in a few days time and then away again so I have to get some winnings when I can!!!!
Cheers and good luck    (I cannot book my USA trip unless I take a chance that my consultant will OK it and if not my travel insurance will be invalid if anything were to happen healthwise) Mega bucks in USA hospitals costs.  I will know in 2 weeks time but my winnings will not go to waste.

[Chrisbis]

Just reposting it with some punctuation and paragraphs for my own means of reading it.
Cheers.....

Quoted:- Original by bleep24
Yes I play all 3 E/C`s at same time (Betting after a 2 of any of them have come out)

That is the whole point to give diversity to outcomes (adjust stakes) - If I have lost say 3 units,
if next betting opportunity throws out 2 x 2 then I will bet 2 units on each and hope that both
win but if not adjust stakes for next opportunity and so on.

I could not check your results as they were split into R/B - H/L -O/E and I would not know
where each chain of 2 had occurred in relation to the other E/C`s - sorry.

Yes wins of 20 and losses of 15 in that example were good but not exceptional
and are more or less typical of outcomes.

I look for the trend (the trend is your friend) before commencing to bet so that I hope
that I am on the right track, but whilst playing you do need to keep an eye on it,
especially if there is a change of dealer.

Not me, but someone else said that roughly 75% of numbers are in chains.
Yes that will include chains of 2 but also 3/4/5/6 etc.   I do not play on after winning on 3rd of the same.

Only reason for this is it gets a bit complicated and wins can wipe out winnings.
So if you win on 3, then 4 and lose on 5 you are no better off.
Only when it goes to 5 and above are you winning more and the longer the chain the less
frequent and you can be missing other opportunities.

Your results and your comment - not too bad.
I agree, keep on playing like that and hopefully not too bad will be your comment every time
that you play.

I cannot play at moment as wi-fi connection is up and down and too unreliable if I was in the
middle of a series., but text just like this it is OK.

Back home in a few days time and then away again so I have to get some winnings when I can!!!!
Cheers and good luck,(I cannot book my USA trip unless I take a chance that my consultant will OK
it and if not my travel insurance will be invalid if anything were to happen healthwise)

Mega bucks in USA hospitals costs.

I will know in 2 weeks time but my winnings will not go to waste.
End of Quoted

[bleep24]

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Hi Chrisbis,

Thanks for doing that.  It looks so much better and easier to read.   Once I get started I tend to get carried away (Do not say that I should be!!!)   Thanks again.   Hope you can win with system after doing all that.

Good luck,
Brian

[mogul397]

Hi









Hi Chrisbis,

Thanks for doing that.  It looks so much better and easier to read.   Once I get started I tend to get carried away (Do not say that I should be!!!)   Thanks again.   Hope you can win with system after doing all that.

Good luck,
Brian

Is English your 2nd language?  Is there a tier to it?
Is "England" English a different tier than US English?

[mogul397]

Hi Mogul397.

Yes I play all 3 E/C`s at same time (Betting after a 2 of any of them have come out)  That is the whole point to give diversity to outcomes (adjust stakes - If I have lost say 3 units, if next betting opportunity throws out 2 x 2 then I will bet 2 units on each and hope that both win but if not adjust stakes for next opportunity and so on.   I could not check your results as they were split into R/B - H/L -O/E and I would not know where each chain of 2 had occurred in relation to the other E/C`s - sorry.   Yes wins of 20 and losses of 15 in that example were good but not exceptional and are more or less typical of outcomes.   I look for the trend (the trend is your friend) before commencing to bet so that I hope that I am on the right track, but whilst playing you do need to keep an eye on it, especially if there is a change of dealer.  Not me, but someone else said that roughly 75% of numbers are in chains.  Yes that will include chains of 2 but also 3/4/5/6 etc.   I do not play on after winning on 3rd of the same.  Only reason for this is it gets a bit complicated and wins can wipe out winnings. So if you win on 3, then 4 and lose on 5 you are no better off.   Only when it goes to 5 and above are you winning more and the longer the chain the less frequent and you can be missing other opportunities. Your results and your comment - not too bad.  I agree, keep on playing like that and hopefully not too bad will be your comment every time that you play.  I cannot play at moment as wi-fi connection is up and down and too unreliable if I was in the middle of a series., but text just like this it is OK.  Back home in a few days time and then away again so I have to get some winnings when I can!!!!
Cheers and good luck    (I cannot book my USA trip unless I take a chance that my consultant will OK it and if not my travel insurance will be invalid if anything were to happen healthwise) Mega bucks in USA hospitals costs.  I will know in 2 weeks time but my winnings will not go to waste.

I looked back. And I thin I made a mistake.  Either way, two things trouble me.

1) Playing all 3 seem to greatly complicate things and
2) when zeros come in, how do you handle that?
    a) If the zero is the result (loss) do you just move on?
    b) If it is mid sequence count (like R 00 R) do you count that as
     two in a row?

Looking at my data, it seems like at the beginning there are a lot  of doublets.
Enough to maybe be a problem. I was wondering before maybe it you hit two
doublets, that you wait to see a win. I know you talk about watching and being
careful.

What do you think?