Nice little earner!!

[Blue_Angel]

Hello Atlantis,
I get where you are coming from.  There may be some merit in playing that way.  As always, we all have our favourite system/method/prog.etc.

Good luck,
Brian

Hi Bleep24,

I've read the thread through and my conclusions are the following;

1) If you were betting for the opposite of what you bet, chops for 2 streaks, eventually you would get the same results

2) If you were betting reds, or any other EC without waiting for 2 in a row, eventually you would get the same results

3) What could make a difference is the progression and BR management, Mogul said it plenty of posts before about non linear progressions and about digging up holes which eventually are becoming graves...!

4) About the "gamlet" you spoke of, why the particular six numbers?
Let's say you want to determine if those six numbers are going to show any time soon and you are checking the last 20 spins and you don't see any of them there, then why don't you just bet the numbers you see among the last 20 spins??
Do those six numbers posses some kind of magical attributes for you?

[mogul397]

Hi Atlantis,
Thanks for your comments.  Some may well be true but does less betting with higher stakes not run the risk of bigger losses when they happen (as they will) and balancing out overall.  As you say: more watching and waiting. Who knows when the winning streak is ending?   
As the Bard of Avon said: (I have probably mis-quoted)  Ah, thereby is the rub.

I am English and apologise to you `foreigners` for using English vernacular!!!!!!!!!!   It is even worse because I am a Geordie Englishman:  the best kind.

(Bard of Avon.  William Shakespeare)     Everyone after reading this will be Googling like mad.

Good luck,
Brian











Good luck,   Brian

Your English slang and quotes are incredibly entertaining.  And educational.

[mogul397]

Hi Brian - that was over 45 spins. After 64 spins the results could be closer. But let's say the 3's were on target and hit the typical figure of 24 or thereabouts by 1 or 2 hits either way but the '2's only' were getting significantly behind the avg ideal expect of 24 by say 5 or 6 hits; in that case it it may pay dividends to switch to betting FOR the 2's to begin to catch up...
By monitoring the results of 2 only and 3(+) we could determine when a good time to profitably switch between betting for 2's or 3's. This may help cut out some of the losses otherwise encountered by following just one stream/pattern. Thanks.

A.

For whatever it's worth, my last data set was probably around 60-70 spins.
22 of them were copied off the marquis.  That representing an entire session,
I'm not sure I'l have the patience to do all that just to get a start. Unless the
advantage was compelling.

[mogul397]

Me too, also I'd like to confirm when you said about the Dublinbet airball roulette, that when some others begun betting the roulette start spinning faster giving you less and less time to bet!
Be careful guys, this is a fact!

Less time means more mistakes, sometimes the touch screen needs to re-calibrated because if your fingertip is half centimeter to the left or right it could place your bet elsewhere, or sometimes not at all.

If you play mechanically and/or randomly then you won't have issues with that but that's how they want you to bet...they are forcing the issue indirectly!

It was getting like that at plainridge. Then they just replaced one of the two machines.
This one has an actual 30 second countdown that you can see and watch. Much
easier on the nerves. But slow when you're just waiting.

[mogul397]

Bleep,

Do you (or anyone) have any perspecitive on the data from my
post earlier of my run?

The data that I copied off the marquis seemed to have more >2.

Then I jumped in. And I got a lot of "skips" cause I skipped the multiple
bets. Seemed too confusing. But maybe that would have been my salvation.
Or maybe I need to learn it better.

Can you take a look and tell me how it would have worked out?

(Probably your bedtime now).........
5 hours later........

[Blue_Angel]

This one has an actual 30 second countdown that you can see and watch. Much
easier on the nerves. But slow when you're just waiting.

Do you think 30 secs is much time?

Why to wait?

Personally speaking I don't, just betting non stop.

If someone uses rare triggers in order to bet then he should be playing RNG, results happen in a click of a mouse.

I'm traditional on this one, I prefer the wheel and croupier in front of me, I like to have cigars, drinks and chat, I like casino atmosphere.

[mogul397]

Do you think 30 secs is much time?

Why to wait?

Personally speaking I don't, just betting non stop.

If someone uses rare triggers in order to bet then he should be playing RNG, results happen in a click of a mouse.

I'm traditional on this one, I prefer the wheel and croupier in front of me, I like to have cigars, drinks and chat, I like casino atmosphere.

Not sure which way you are arguing.

I went to twin rivers for a while. Dabbled in craps. They have live wheels there.
Also rng.

So I found the craps, ultimately, to be slow. For pass/don't. Sometimes many
numbers etc.

I was drawn to the rng because you could get quick results.  One time I was
watching the real wheels for a bit. For one thing there was only one dealer.
Every spin she had to pay off and then sort an OCEAN of chips before the next
spin. I went up to the RNG for about 15 min and came down. I looked at the
marquis and there were 4 more numbers since I left. That is scary.

If you're there to hang around and enjoy the atmosphere that's fine. I
outgrew that aspect years ago, and go there for business.

The airball machines that they had at plainridge did some random (tm) thing
where after a result it swallowed the ball.  And almost as it spun it it would say
"no more bets". It was kind of different every time, but I kind of thing that
it was tracking how long it had been since the last button was pushed by
someone for a bet. That also was scary.

So yes. In a certain venue I think that 30 seconds is quite fine. And I think
that watching a dealer get her ass kicked is boring and tiresome.

Also, BTW, I think they have smoking at twin river. I don't smoke. Mostly
you don't notice. upstairs is no smoking. Plainridge is non smoking. They also
have a drink station for soda and coffee (I quit drinking 14 years ago. Thankfully)
So I just waltz in and am comfortable.

[Blue_Angel]

Not sure which way you are arguing.

I went to twin rivers for a while. Dabbled in craps. They have live wheels there.
Also rng.

So I found the craps, ultimately, to be slow. For pass/don't. Sometimes many
numbers etc.

I was drawn to the rng because you could get quick results.  One time I was
watching the real wheels for a bit. For one thing there was only one dealer.
Every spin she had to pay off and then sort an OCEAN of chips before the next
spin. I went up to the RNG for about 15 min and came down. I looked at the
marquis and there were 4 more numbers since I left. That is scary.

If you're there to hang around and enjoy the atmosphere that's fine. I
outgrew that aspect years ago, and go there for business.

The airball machines that they had at plainridge did some random (tm) thing
where after a result it swallowed the ball.  And almost as it spun it it would say
"no more bets". It was kind of different every time, but I kind of thing that
it was tracking how long it had been since the last button was pushed by
someone for a bet. That also was scary.

So yes. In a certain venue I think that 30 seconds is quite fine. And I think
that watching a dealer get her ass kicked is boring and tiresome.

Also, BTW, I think they have smoking at twin river. I don't smoke. Mostly
you don't notice. upstairs is no smoking. Plainridge is non smoking. They also
have a drink station for soda and coffee (I quit drinking 14 years ago. Thankfully)
So I just waltz in and am comfortable.

I think 30 seconds insufficient time, for me ideal is 100 to 120 seconds from spin to spin.
I've been at LV, you can smoke at every casino there, went at downtown and the Riviera.
From East coast at Rhodes Island, Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods, have been at Boston, Trump will build a new one over there.
Used to own one which bankrupted! 

[mogul397]

I think 30 seconds insufficient time, for me ideal is 100 to 120 seconds from spin to spin.
I've been at LV, you can smoke at every casino there, went at downtown and the Riviera.
From East coast at Rhodes Island, Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods, have been at Boston, Trump will build a new one over there.
Used to own one which bankrupted! 

What do you do with all that time?

[Blue_Angel]

What do you do with all that time?

Just taking it slow and easy, also need time to count chips and keep notes.
With 2 persons duration would be reduced to half but I'm not trusting easily in such matters...

[bleep24]

Hi Blue_Angel,

Re: Gamlett systems.  I did not create it so have absolutely no idea whatsoever why it is those numbers.   I cannot find this system now but I never played the way I remember it said to do.     Only start betting those 6 numbers after one of them has come out and only for 6 spins.    I look at spin history to see if those numbers are coming out.  You can go 30 or more spins and never see a one then all of a sudden they will be popping up like mad.   This is flat bet so lose 36 units on a no show.   My take on this is that it is all to do with wheel layout and dealer signature.

Just for the hell of it why don`t you just look back over spin histories (on here) Ignatus posted 10 complete spin histories on one post.  I like to use/look at them.

Good luck,     Brian

[atlantis]

For whatever it's worth, my last data set was probably around 60-70 spins.
22 of them were copied off the marquis.  That representing an entire session,
I'm not sure I'l have the patience to do all that just to get a start. Unless the
advantage was compelling.

Hi mogul397,
I did a small test with RX and random numbers betting with last 64 spins stats every spin and after the intial tracking/collection I just did the NLE bets with the +1/-1 but only betting if hits for series 3 and 3+ were <=21 hits.  (19 would be safer)
Result was +24 units in 199 spins total (includes initial 64)

Betting only on 48 of the spins

I am sure I could have improved on that by having more bets if I had applied the same rules to the appearances of the series of '2 only' as well.

Still - it's quite interesting.

On a side note, would be nice and a lot easier to have some program or sheet that totted up the total hits for the series of 2 and series of 3 and above (for all 3 EC's) over a rolling 64 spin history -would save having to do manually after every spin which is a bit of a bind.

A.

[atlantis]

I wrote:

I am sure I could have improved on that by having more bets if I had applied the same rules to the appearances of the series of '2 only' as well.

I played the same spin session of 199 spins through again and after spin 64 began to check for <=21 hits this time on the "2 only's" EC's to see what the outcome/profit would be...

Surprisingly there were NO bets indicated at all for the rest of the session! The 2's were doing very well so there was no imbalance trigger to bet. (In fact there was always 24 or more hits on the 2's from spin 64 onwards.)
This can happen. But had they dropped to 21 or below I would have been betting them though because I set that as my default trigger to bet for return to normal expectations.

However you do not know what is going to happen or how things will pan out, that's why I expect it will pay to bet both for the 2's and the 3's (with separate progression for each pattern, naturally) when the signs show it pertinent to do so. (ie. the default trigger you set)

A.

[atlantis]

FWIW here is my session betting for the 3's after 64 spins.

A.

[mogul397]

Hi mogul397,
I did a small test with RX and random numbers betting with last 64 spins stats every spin and after the intial tracking/collection I just did the NLE bets with the +1/-1 but only betting if hits for series 3 and 3+ were <=21 hits.  (19 would be safer)
Result was +24 units in 199 spins total (includes initial 64)

Betting only on 48 of the spins

I am sure I could have improved on that by having more bets if I had applied the same rules to the appearances of the series of '2 only' as well.

Still - it's quite interesting.

On a side note, would be nice and a lot easier to have some program or sheet that totted up the total hits for the series of 2 and series of 3 and above (for all 3 EC's) over a rolling 64 spin history -would save having to do manually after every spin which is a bit of a bind.

A.

As you say, it must take quite a bit of work to track. But I can see
why you are doing it.  Not sure of the specific advantage yet.