Random Thoughts

[The General]

Nobody can win with statistics  or  semantics. 


My way: Plan your play and play your plan .



Losses as  well winnings should be accepted with the same  grace .

Wise words.  Too many people foolishly waste time trying to side step the probability of the game using statistics.

A better attack plan would be to use the data collection and statistics to exploit the wheel, rather than the game. 

[rrbb]

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A better attack plan would be to use the data collection and statistics to exploit the wheel, rather than the game.

Hi General,
Interesting insights! How do you know it is better?

To me better implies that you can compare. Enlighten me!

Grts rrbb

[The General]

There's a great little book out there called, "Beating The Wheel", by Russell Barnhart.  You could probably find it online somewhere, or buy a cheap copy for about $3.

It will basically tell you more about it.

In short:

1.Track thousands of spins
2.Calculate the chance of randomness of the sample and/or chi square
3.Perform standard deviation calculations on the numbers to see if the numbers are likely biased or not biased.

[Priyanka]

I can sense this post going in a very interesting direction.  A couple of people whose knowledge I have enjoyed reading in the past are sharing their notes. 

[The General]

The book, "Beating The Wheel" is a book that every player should at some point read.  It's cheap or maybe even free by now,  and it will provide a foundation that will enable people to think in the correct direction.

[Priyanka]

But general you haven't answered rrbb' question. A direct answer will be nice.

[MoneyT101]

General is always right dont you dare and try to think anything for yourself or use any other route unless authorized by the General!  He wrote every book on roulette and just let other ppl get credit for it. 

In the General with trust 

[The General]

But general you haven't answered rrbb' question. A direct answer will be nice.

Since the random game of roulette can't be beaten in the long run, exploiting inefficiencies in the wheel is your only option.


This is based on the following:

1. The history and evolution of the game as documented/recorded in various locations
2. My own personal experience with the game.
3. Other experts experience with the game.
4. The math/physics.
5. Poor assembly and/or wear on the wheels within the casinos and my own wheels.

[Scarface]

Since the random game of roulette can't be beaten in the long run, exploiting inefficiencies in the wheel is your only option.


This is based on the following:

1. The history and evolution of the game as documented/recorded in various locations
2. My own personal experience with the game.
3. The math/physics.
4. Poor assembly and/or wear on my own wheels and the wheels within the casinos.

What about dealer signiture?  Seems like some dealers hit alot of repeats while others don't.  Always wondered if this was just random or not

[Turner]

There's a great little book out there called, "Beating The Wheel", by Russell Barnhart.

All the  wikki, Barnhardt  and Unicorn castle malarky. Thats sad, because I really want to learn from you but you just repeat the same rhetoric over and over.

Bingo!...what do I win. lol

[rrbb]

There's a great little book out there called, "Beating The Wheel", by Russell Barnhart.  You could probably find it online somewhere, or buy a cheap copy for about $3.

It will basically tell you more about it.

In short:

1.Track thousands of spins
2.Calculate the chance of randomness of the sample and/or chi square
3.Perform standard deviation calculations on the numbers to see if the numbers are likely biased or not biased.

Hi General,

Thanks! Actually i read that book long time ago. Yes, this method has been used succesfully indeed!

The problem is that nowadays the wheels themselves are monitored by the casino's themselves.

Grts, rrbb

Btw: is your name inspired by "The general" with the great Buster Keaton?

[Scarface]

What if we bet the last 3 hit lines in the dozen, instead of the whole dozen.  If a cycle ends with dozen 2 as dominant, bet the last 3 hit lines in dozen 2 on the first bet.  If dozen 1 hits next, bet the last 3 hit lines in dozen 1 and 2.

Seems like there is always 1 line in a dozen that stays cold.  Thought this might increase the odds of a hit better.  May test this out when I get some time

[The General]

Much of what's been written about DS is urban legend, however it can and does happen in some situations.

Dealer's signature results from:

1.  An off level wheel or a warped ball track
2. A dealer that tends to spin short spins
3. A wheel that is limited to just a small range of different speeds.
4. A wheel with favorable ball scatter.

It doesn't require any super human skill.  And any dealer that says otherwise and claims that they can do it on ANY wheel is full of sh%t.  It's the wheel that makes it possible. Specifically a very strong  dominant ball drop zone.    Even a new dealer can shoot for sections on the wheel if it has a strong dominant ball drop zone.
  Overall dealer's know very little about how or even if it's possible, since they no very little about the physics of the wheel, and since they can't really distinguish between what maybe skill from normal variance. 

If you want to see proof of it, then all you have to do is watch it on youtube.  Casino risk consultant Steve Forte also has demonstrated it for a live group.

[Priyanka]

At times things that defy logic at first seems so.  It just waits for a proof before it becomes logic.  It's like you can pause time just by observing uranium.  It never decays when observed. Something like the question between virtual play and personal permanence. It's like Suns atmosphere is hotter than the sun even though sun generates the heat.  It just waits for a proof to become logic.  Keep an open mind general.

[The General]

In order to really grasp the physics behind it all, it helps to watch slow motion video of it.

You can easily quantify the results of it in action by simply plotting the difference in yardage by pockets from the targeted number and then graphing the various yardage plots by standard deviation.