Random Thoughts

[Kattila]

The NEXT spin where the  ball drops brings us back to reality. Past spins are   just history

From history at least one can learn , in other words one can learn from past events and know what
would expect next time when similar events happen.  Yes ...i know ...No session will be like other but always
is some similarity there/patterns . Some will say *patterns= ilussion* but  for me is  not ilussion, is a good friend.
The most important event is *the repeat * , no matter if is about number(s)
or group of numbers ( my favorite).  We( that ones who use past spins) don t know exactly when that event
will occur  but can try to *guess*  based on past similar events also based on probabilities and statistics.
Also the dealer is involved in* the repeat* stuff....anyway with or without dealer the groups of numbers
will repeat.

cheers

[Tamino]

It is what it is a blue print of history is an assumption that events will repeat but the next spin is reality .

[Turner]

Hey Drazen

question in red

20
36
19 cycle defined by dozen 2
35 bet next cycle do be defined by previous dozen so bet dozen 2
2 L -1
14 w +2, cycle ends, being defined by dozen 2
9 bet dozen 2 for the next cycle to be defined as like previous one
18 +2, bet dozen 2 to be defined by dozen 2
27 L -1, cycle ends, now being defined by dozen 3 why does cycle end here?
22 start betting for this cycle to be defined by dozen 3 so bet dozen 3
28 +2, bet dozen 3

[Drazen]

Ah yes, the sharpest eye on forum.

That is my mistake. I overviewed that cycle. Sorry.

So corrected it should be:

20
36
19 cycle defined by dozen 2
35 bet next cycle do be defined by previous dozen so bet dozen 2
2 L -1
14 w +2, cycle ends, being defined by dozen 2
9 bet dozen 2 for the next cycle to be defined as like previous one
18 +2 cycle ends being defined by dozen 2
27 bet dozen 2 for this cycle to be defined by dozen 2
22 w+2, bet dozen 2 again to close the cycle
28 L -1, cycle ends, now being defined by dozen 3

Thanks Turner

[Turner]

Ah yes, the sharpest eye on forum.

That is my mistake. I overviewed that cycle. Sorry.

So corrected it should be:

20
36
19 cycle defined by dozen 2
35 bet next cycle do be defined by previous dozen so bet dozen 2
2 L -1
14 w +2, cycle ends, being defined by dozen 2
9 bet dozen 2 for the next cycle to be defined as like previous one
18 +2 cycle ends being defined by dozen 2
27 bet dozen 2 for this cycle to be defined by dozen 2
22 w+2, bet dozen 2 again to close the cycle
28 L -1, cycle ends, now being defined by dozen 3

Thanks Turner

LOL...and I get accused of commenting when I havnt read it.

I read everything.

[Priyanka]

Whichever part of the table I analyzed, I am seeing certain strong ratios between cycles. And they are pretty much constant.

Apart from the ratio that I have highlighted, are there any other ratios that you are able to see. Do you think we will be able to use VdW theorem with which I started the thread in some form or other to bring a statistical concept and a non-random concept together.

[Priyanka]

It is what it is a blue print of history is an assumption that events will repeat but the next spin is reality .

Tamino - Good quote. But there is more to roulette than next spin. JP used to famously say 2 out of 3 games and 3 out of 4 games, never next spin. So unless one sees a set of spins as a set of spins and not look at just the next spin, one might as well leave the game as it will never get them anywhere. Mathematically, there is only one way to beat the roulette and that is through seeing the game with a non-random lens.

[Priyanka]

Now look at the following 8 spins.
BRRBBRRB

If we play based on the theorem, what will we play for the 9th spin? Black or Red? Leaving you with these thoughts.

Does the clash here appears because we have a possibility of betting both black and red. What if we tie our hands that we cannot bet black and we can bet only red. Does this clash happen. Does this handicap situation of betting only one colour makes this theorem more workable from a VdW perspective. Does this handicap really a handicap or is it a boon in some form making us lose less?

[Priyanka]

Some will say *patterns= ilussion* but  for me is  not ilussion, is a good friend.
The most important event is *the repeat * , no matter if is about number(s)
or group of numbers ( my favorite). 

Kattila, very well said. The most difficult thing here is the when/why/what thing that need to be solved. Once you solve that it will no longer be an illusion and one will clearly be able to see through it.

[Tamino]

Pryanka: To be blunt  No bet  contemplated. Does not meet criteria to bet .Why hurry.

[Priyanka]

Pryanka: To be blunt  No bet  contemplated. Does not meet criteria to bet either.Why hurry.

Sorry, didnt understand what you were trying to convey. Do you want to explain this again?

[thelaw]

Tamino - Good quote. But there is more to roulette than next spin. JP used to famously say 2 out of 3 games and 3 out of 4 games, never next spin. So unless one sees a set of spins as a set of spins and not look at just the next spin, one might as well leave the game as it will never get them anywhere. Mathematically, there is only one way to beat the roulette and that is through seeing the game with a non-random lens.

+1

I'm surprised I don't see this more often.

How many methods has Ignatus used where he can win 3/4 games.........not necessarily an HG, but surely an odd stroke of "luck".

With larger numbers the variance basically disappears........so why not use a progression of games instead of spins?

I would refer to this as a investment strategy to win over time (1000s of spins)........along with diversifying your portfolio with multiple methods at once.

[Tamino]

Sorry, didnt understand what you were trying to convey. Do you want to explain this again?

Priyanka ,,

Simple explanation  that  none of my EC methods calls for an action at this point in time .


Tamino aka Nathan Detroit

[Priyanka]

+1


I would refer to this as a investment strategy to win over time (1000s of spins)........along with diversifying your portfolio with multiple methods at once.

There was a member called amk who once suggested a similar strategy.  There are hundreds of games here in the forum.  Everyday you pick up a random method which has been performing ok according to comments in the forum and play. May be amk will come forward to say whether it worked or not and how did it fare. 

[Priyanka]

Apart from the ratio that I have highlighted, are there any other ratios that you are able to see. Do you think we will be able to use VdW theorem with which I started the thread in some form or other to bring a statistical concept and a non-random concept together.

Few more questions. There is an important thing here around statistical advantage of same element defining the next spin. What if we remove cycles of length 1, do we see any difference in ratios. Can cycles of length 1 be exploited?  Can cycles greater than length 1 be exploited?