Random Thoughts

[atlantis]

IMHO, if you need a negative progression you're barking up the wrong tree.

Hi 3nine,

Yes I think you are right - the way i suggested (just an idea, btw) cannot be the way forward. Need to get our "thinking caps" on...


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[Nickmsi]

Hello .

I did test Atlantis suggestion of waiting for 2 consecutive "D" or "S" to occur and then betting for a  Repeater set.

Attached is the result for a 50,000 spins Flat Bet and a 50,000 spins with negative progression.

I think we can improve this by combining with another non random event like the VW theory.
Priyanka said that there was a way to  use this with the Van de Waerden theory with the AP forming on 2 dozens in 3 spins.

I could not find where this was explained, does anyone know how to form AP with dozens, if so, I can then test this further using the VW.
Thanks

Nick

[Tomla021]

beautiful w neg progression Nick  but to find the priyanka  way wont be easy , pryanka has talked about many things before ... now all we know is that cycles help her determine something .......what always happens within a certain amount of spins?

[Nickmsi]

Hi Tomla

The problem with this method of waiting for 2 "D" or 2 "S" to occur before betting is that there are very few bets.  This is not practical to play unless you have a bot. Another test would not be the same.

So we need to combine this with another non random event or some statistic to make it solid and playable.

The VW seems the most logical.

All I need is someone to explain how to make AP (Arithmetic Progressions) out of Dozens, then I can test this with the VW.

Cheers

Nick

[Scarface]

Can anyone explain the VW theory? 

[Scarface]

Nevermind, I got it.  Just re-read the first post. 

[maestro]

Nick the way i see it is for example in your xls sheet for outcomes you got   <same>....<diff>.....and you got  <mixed> just looking at it <mixed> have bigger probability to happen so you can combine  <same>and<diff> as one outcome and this outcome will come with lower probability than <mixed>....so now you will end up with 2 possible outcomes and looks like biased coin havin better probability to <mixed>...was some where on the web i read about generating random bits from biased coin you can check it might work out and come up with idea   ...just my thought ..

[atlantis]

Here is an attached 3000 spin test generated by random.org and using a different betting rule.

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[Nickmsi]

Hello .

Thanks for the test, Atlantis

Priyanka's message is that we would do better playing Non Random Systems rather than what we have been doing up until now, that is, Random Systems.

Let me show you in no uncertain terms, no ambiguities, and no riddles why we should be jumping all over this thread.

A Random System is what we all have played, such as, FTL (Follow The Last), Bet Black after 4 consecutive Reds, bet that a Pattern will form, etc.

A Non Random System is one based on Math or Statistics, ie, the Van de Waerden theorem, the Pigeon Hole Principle which the 12 spin Dozen cycle is based on.

I have tested a Random System (FTL) verses a Non Random System (12 spin Dozens cycle).

Both were tested with identical 3,170 spins from BVNZ table.

Both were tested Flat Betting of 1 unit each bet.

Both bet every spin until a Profit Target of 1.

See the results below.

Cheers

Nick

[3Nine]

Let me show you in no uncertain terms, no ambiguities, and no riddles why we should be jumping all over this thread.

Thanks for your efforts, Nick.

What were the rules you used here?

[Scarface]

What is the 12 spin dozen cycle, and why is it non random?

[3Nine]

What is the 12 spin dozen cycle, and why is it non random?

There are 3 possible combinations so in 4 sets, one has to repeat.

[falkor2k15]

Hi Nick, how could you combine that 12 spin dozen cycle with AP to increase profits? Since AP loses without some mod in place wouldn't it just impact on any profits coming from the 12 spin dozen cycle?

For Dozen AP see page 1&2 - in particular my attachment at the bottom of page 2.

[Nickmsi]

Hi Maestro . . interesting idea of combining "D" &"S" into one group.  Not sure I understand but if you have more information or explanations, be glad to hear them.

Hi 3Nine . . .

The rules I used for the 12 Spin Dozen Cycle were as follows:

1st bet was to try and form a "S" set so the bet was the same as the last

2nd bet was to try and form a "D" set so the bet was the opposite of the last

3rd bet was to try and form a "R" set so the bet was the same as the last 2 spins

This is not exactly as Priyanka suggested but it shows the Non Random Systems are quite flexible and can be used in many ways and they all are still better than the Random Systems.

Back to the core issues:

Priyanka suggests this system can be improved by:

1.  Statistics

2. Combining with other Non Random, ie Van de Waerden theorem.

This is what we need to be concentrating on.

How  can we make the Dozens sets somehow conform to an EC so we can possibly combine this with the Van de Waerden system? 

Hi Falkor . . .

I will check out your posts on Page 1 & 2.

Nick

[maestro]

i could not put link but screened Nick so you can see...is called generating uniformly random data