Random Thoughts

[The General]

The problem is that nowadays the wheels themselves are monitored by the casino's themselves.

Grts, rrbb

Btw: is your name inspired by "The general" with the great Buster Keaton?

No Buster Keaton.  I just made of the name for the heck of it.

Regarding casinos.  Some locations are different than others.  In the US you would definitely be giving the casinos way to much credit.  They are not as efficient as you may think. They are run more like a city parks and recreations department.  A quick red flag that a casino can have some problems with the wheels is that they're moving them around too frequently.  Such wheels can easily be followed by just tracking the scratches, wood grain, etc.  Many casinos have the data downloads, but rarely utilize them or update them when a wheel is moved.  The data downloads are a bit of a sales upgrade gimmick by the manufactures.  Casinos are more interested in whether or not a table is making money, not whether it's biased.  Contrary to popular believe, such wheels still make money for the casinos, and often times even more.

[Turner]

It's like Suns atmosphere is hotter than the sun even though sun generates the heat

Photons produced by the Sun (light) wizz around in the sun for 40,000 years before finally escaping.

Thats my input lol...but Ive been to the pub for surf and turf and a few beers....so I win.

[The General]

Keep an open mind general.

That's like saying that I should keep an open mind because 1 + 1 may not equal 2. 

The "game" of roulette can not be beaten in the long run, and this much is easily proven via math, logic, mathematicians, and recorded history. 

There's keeping an open mind, and then there's having your mind trapped within the box that is the gambler's fallacy.  If you want out of the box, then you should focus on the wheel, not the game.

[Nickmsi]

"Since the random game of roulette can't be beaten in the long run"

I agree with the General's statement 100%.

He is right, we cannot beat a random game of roulette.

However, we can beat a Non-Random game of roulette which is the point of this Thread.

Cheers

Nick

[The General]

However, we can beat a Non-Random game of roulette which is the point of this Thread.

Nickmsi,

You are very wise.

[Tamino]

When the GENERAL speaks  every one should listen.


( A paraphrase of E.F. Hutton eons ago)




Nathan Detroit

[Turner]

However, we can beat a Non-Random game of roulette which is the point of this Thread.

unless Caleb has studied non randomness?
The point of this thread is currently talking about bias wheels and how to exploit them.
I can tidy the thread up if Priyanka wants. I will even delete my excellent surf and turf post. Im not above the law.

[The General]

Caleb has studied non randomness?

Yep. 

[Turner]

Yep.

I have no doubt...I am a fan believe it or not.

[Priyanka]

I can tidy the thread up if Priyanka wants.

Can't find a reason why.  Creative minds flourish in clutter. 

And general you are always entitled your opinion but..... 

[The General]

You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

[Priyanka]

You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

Yeah.  That says it all. 

[rrbb]

That's like saying that I should keep an open mind because 1 + 1 may not equal 2. 

The "game" of roulette can not be beaten in the long run, and this much is easily proven via math, logic, mathematicians, and recorded history. 

There's keeping an open mind, and then there's having your mind trapped within the box that is the gambler's fallacy.  If you want out of the box, then you should focus on the wheel, not the game.

Hi general,

Here i beg to differ! I can give you a full mathematical proof why roulette can not be won long term...

However: what people tend to forget is that in ANY mathematical proof there is at least one assumption.

The thing is: if you find this assumption for the proof in roulette, it does open new avenues! And believe it or not: a few ways around this assumption have been introduced in this thread.

Let me illustrate with another real life example of this "identify and do not accept the assumptions". There are many others, but this one is close to my heart. I hope i'm clear in illustrating it with this assumption:

For ages people believed that a straight line was the shortest line between two points (euclidian geometry).

On one fine day one guy decided to drop just one of the assumptions, leading to non-euclidian geometry. A figment of the imagination? No, space-time (Einstein) is non-eucledian: provable! It basically means that two parrallel lines can cross each other!! And that the shortest route between two points can be curved. Would we have sticked to the assumptions of euclid, much of  what we now know about our universe could never have been thought of!

Btw: no, i will never state explicitly what the assumption is, and what we can do to not need it. As Priyanka stated (and many others) open your mind!

My journey started when i decided to explicitly proof why roulette can not be beaten...Many people claim it, but i have never ever seen a complete proof! Why not? Because people think it is self evident...

Grts rrbb

[Scarface]

I like to keep an open mind, but I don't see how a non-random fact can create any kind of advantage.  That's like saying in 3 spins, either a red or black has to hit twice.  It still doesn't help predict which one.

[Priyanka]

However: what people tend to forget is that in ANY mathematical proof there is at least one assumption.

The thing is: if you find this assumption for the proof in roulette, it does open new avenues! And believe it or not: a few ways around this assumption have been introduced in this thread.