Random Thoughts

[atlantis]

I try to capture the last leg of a quad-line by betting that a line will have only ONE repeat quad in it. I bet using the H/L and Q1 or Q2 or Q3 or Q4.

eg:
3-1-2 To bet for a repeat quad it is needed to cover LOW + Quad3 then if ONE of the 3-1-2 repeats it is a WINNER!

3-1-2-1 = the bet was on L+Q3. Result=LOW. Win.

Currently I stop after a L and wait for a virtual win line. (a line with one repeat quad)

If I get a treble quad like 1-1-1 or 4-4-4 it is a NO BET.


3   1   2   2  bet L+Q3 = w
3   4   1   1  bet H+Q1 = w
3   2   4   3  bet H+Q2 = w
3   1   4   3  bet H+Q1 = w
1   4   3   2  bet H+Q1 = L
1   3   4   2  NO BET
4   4   1   3  vwin
1   2   1   3  bet H+Q2 = w
1   1   1   2  NO BET
1   2   3   1  bet L+Q3 = w
3   1   1   3  bet H+Q2 = w
2   1   4   1  bet L+Q4 = w
4   3   4   4  bet L+Q3 = L
1   1   1   2  NO BET
4   2   1   3  NO BET
3   3   4   3  NO BET
1   1   2   3  vwin 
1   1   4   3  bet L+Q3 = w
2   1   3   1  bet L+Q3 = w
1   3   4   1  bet H+Q1 = w
1   4   3   4  bet H+Q1 =w
4   2   2   2  bet L+Q4 = w
4   4   2   3  bet L+Q3 = w   
1   1   3   4  bet H+Q2 = w
2   3   3   2  bet H+Q1 = L
2   1   4   2  vwin
1   2   2   3  bet H+Q1 = w
1   3   2   4  bet L+Q3 = L
2   3   4   2  vwin
2   1   4   1  bet L+Q4 = w
2   3   1   3  bet L+Q3 = w
3   3   1   1  bet L+Q4 = w
3   4   3   2  bet L+Q4 = w
3   2   4   2  bet H+Q2 = w
2   3   4   2  bet H+Q2 = w
3   4   1   2  bet H+Q1 = L
2   2   1   2  NO BET
3   4   4   4  NO BET
2   3   2   1  vwin
3   3   3   4  NO BET
1   2   3   2  bet L+Q4 = w
4   2   4   2  bet L+Q3 = w
4   2   3   4  bet H+Q2 = w
4   1   3   4  bet H+Q1 = w
1   3   2   4  bet L+Q3 = L
1   2   2   3  vwin
1   1   2   1  NO BET
4   1   1   1  bet L+Q3 = w
3   1   1   3  bet L+Q3 = w
3   3   4   3  NO BET
4   1   4   2  bet L+Q3 = w

Maybe there is something good in this?

Regards,
A.

[Turner]

3   1   2   2  bet L+Q3 = w
3   4   1   1  bet H+Q1 = w  simple, bet 341 for one repeat in the line of 4. I get it 
3   2   4   3  bet H+Q2 = w 
3   1   4   3  bet H+Q1 = w 
1   4   3   2  bet H+Q1 = L 
1   3   4   2  NO BET     
4   4   1   3  vwin
1   2   1   3  bet H+Q2 = w  why do we bet on quad 2? Just 3 or 4 are required to give 1 repeat. 2 is betting for 2 repeats.
1   1   1   2  NO BET
1   2   3   1  bet L+Q3 = w 
3   1   1   3  bet H+Q2 = w
2   1   4   1  bet L+Q4 = w
4   3   4   4  bet L+Q3 = L
1   1   1   2  NO BET
4   2   1   3  NO BET
3   3   4   3  NO BET
1   1   2   3  vwin 
1   1   4   3  bet L+Q3 = w

Atlantis........some questions in red

[Drazen]

The transformational part in this search

RRBB and Priyanka as the persons who owns the Philosopher's s Stone advocates that with so much power some other values other then financial ones should come in the first place.Such power must be directed in helping others too, not only in meeting our own raw passions.

Supposedly making our way to retrieving the stone should reincarnate us in a certain way. But we have so many hints at this time. Does that means that we are much closer to the revealing of the secret, and that our path wont be hard enough, so we wont be able to transform ourselves in the right way? Why advocacy of reincarnation through the hard work, and facilitating of it in the same time?

Is all that just a bunch of philosophical crap or something really important what Priyanka and RRbb passed through? How they acted before transformation then?

Cheers

[falkor2k15]

Hi falkor,

I did not suggest to use VdW on wins and losses! I just mentioned one could do that. VdW is extremely versatile: one could use it on number partitions (like high/lows), length of cycles, wins/losses, you name it.

And concerning rayman: i think i said more: rayman noticed priyanka did not bet on cycles of length one. I mentioned something along the line that betting on 4 unique quads doesn't make sense. How many "lengths" are than left to bet on?

I'm going to come up with some new stats today and then look at some combined stats between cycles - but I can only envisage this VdW as being some kind of additional stat to aid us alongside the other stats - I cannot see why/how it (Non-Random) takes primacy.

[falkor2k15]

Mathematically, there is only one way to beat the roulette and that is through seeing the game with a non-random lens.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15938.255 (page 18 )

A non-random lens or a VdW lens?

[rrbb]

I'm going to come up with some new stats today and then look at some combined stats between cycles - but I can only envisage this VdW as being some kind of additional stat to aid us alongside the other stats - I cannot see why/how it (Non-Random) takes primacy.

Hi falkor,

Now, that seems like a good idea! And a good remark.


One more hint, and then i'm out of posts:

At the beginning you had a great discussion with Priyanka about VdW remember? She gave a list of occurences of L, W, LW etc.

Her question was: how can you tip the balance? Think about that question. if i would tell you, you would go like "duhh". Just write down the list she gave, but without the numbers or percentages. The answer is there.

The answer will put many of the things Priyanka said in a new light!

[rrbb]

RRBB and Priyanka as the persons who owns the Philosopher's s Stone advocates that with so much power some other values other then financial ones should come in the first place.Such power must be directed in helping others too, not only in meeting our own raw passions.

Supposedly making our way to retrieving the stone should reincarnate us in a certain way. But we have so many hints at this time. Does that means that we are much closer to the revealing of the secret, and that our path wont be hard enough, so we wont be able to transform ourselves in the right way? Why advocacy of reincarnation through the hard work, and facilitating of it in the same time?

Is all that just a bunch of philosophical crap or something really important what Priyanka and RRbb passed through? How they acted before transformation then?

Cheers

Good questions indeed!

No, i think all of you work hard, are creative and basically deserve answers.

I hope you understand i just can't spell it out. The only thing i can do is say:"go and discover for yourself"

Do with it what you like!

Good luck!

[Turner]

Is all that just a bunch of philosophical crap

Hmmm....esoteric is the word I keep using.
It certainly qualifies for that on a few levels.
Trouble with this is the motive behind the post. Not particularly this post...but posts of this " drip feed" nature....mixed in with hear say that a few people have been told in PM...just to keep people guessing.
You have the nagging doubt that if anyone got close....would it be denied....or..lol...the poster leaves.

I dont really like posts like this to be honest.

[falkor2k15]

Hi falkor,

Now, that seems like a good idea! And a good remark.


One more hint, and then i'm out of posts:

At the beginning you had a great discussion with Priyanka about VdW remember? She gave a list of occurences of L, W, LW etc.

Her question was: how can you tip the balance? Think about that question. if i would tell you, you would go like "duhh". Just write down the list she gave, but without the numbers or percentages. The answer is there.

The answer will put many of the things Priyanka said in a new light!

I'll have a think about this one... could it be to do with converting the outcomes into their opposite components and then playing just for 3 wins max?

W
L
LW
LL
LLW
LLL
LLLW
LLLL

L
W
WL
WW
WWL
WWW
WWWL
WWWW

[atlantis]

Atlantis........some questions in red

1) Beneficial because I was playing on 0 with le partage rule (half EC stake returns)
2) Insurance, really - extra coverage just in case the 2 double quads appeared.

A.

[Turner]

1) Beneficial because I was playing on 0 with le partage rule (half EC stake returns)
2) Insurance, really - extra coverage just in case the 2 double quads appeared.

A.

Cheers mate

[falkor2k15]

I'll have a think about this one... could it be to do with converting the outcomes into their opposite components and then playing just for 3 wins max?

W
L
LW
LL
LLW
LLL
LLLW
LLLL

L
W
WL
WW
WWL
WWW
WWWL
WWWW

If you lose then switch to playing opposite? If you lose again then switch back to normal? Something like that maybe? 

[rrbb]

Hmmm....esoteric is the word I keep using.
It certainly qualifies for that on a few levels.
Trouble with this is the motive behind the post. Not particularly this post...but posts of this " drip feed" nature....mixed in with hear say that a few people have been told in PM...just to keep people guessing.
You have the nagging doubt that if anyone got close....would it be denied....or..lol...the poster leaves.

I dont really like posts like this to be honest.

Hi Turner,

I understand that sentiment. It's up to you if you believe all this or not but it's all there. Really. And becoming too close and than back of? I think that all hints that were given, for example to RayManZ would prove otherwise.

[RMore]

I don't think switching the bet is the answer. Look at my post #382 in this thread where I break down each possible way through the 512 combinations that can occur. It ends up 50/50. In this situation switching makes no difference to the final result. It has to be something a little more subtle I think.

[rrbb]

If you lose then switch to playing opposite? If you lose again then switch back to normal? Something like that maybe? 

Way too complex falkor. You are thinking in solutions. Do you have a nephew or niece of say preschool age? Replace the L's by apples, and W's by pears. Then think about the right question to ask, and they will give you an answer right away.

The answer is not a solution nor a betting scheme. It is a guide that, combined with all info Priyanka gave, can give some nice results.