Random Thoughts

[Turner]

Hi Turner,

I understand that sentiment. It's up to you if you believe all this or not but it's all there. Really. And becoming too close and than back of? I think that all hints that were given, for example to RayManZ would prove otherwise.

Sounded more serious than I meant it to. Its just not the way I work.
Ive enjoyed it and I have got a lot of it but many get frustrated by this way of posting.

[atlantis]

The answer is not a solution nor a betting scheme. It is a guide that, combined with all info Priyanka gave, can give some nice results.

If there is no solution then whatever it is - I doubt whether casinos are really going to be that bothered about it - can't see them closing their doors or changing rules...
Still, I really hope all the hinting, mystery and "cloak and dagger" is worth it all though. Would be so nice after this if it was and the expected "nice results" did materialise on a regular basis.

A.

[RMore]

Nice response - rrbb. "Think of the right question". That is so often the best approach. It sounds so simple but can be so difficult to twist the brain around to do that. But that is where I am going to try to go. Apples and pears. Don't want an apple - want a pear. I can't rearrange them - but I could ignore the apples until I reach a pear and then take the next one. I dunno - just rambling.

[Turner]

Nice response - rrbb. "Think of the right question". That is so often the best approach. It sounds so simple but can be so difficult to twist the brain around to do that. But that is where I am going to try to go. Apples and pears. Don't want an apple - want a pear. I can't rearrange them - but I could ignore the apples until I reach a pear and then take the next one. I dunno - just rambling.

I prefer bananas...but hey, thats just part of lifes rich tapestry  

[falkor2k15]

Way too complex falkor. You are thinking in solutions. Do you have a nephew or niece of say preschool age? Replace the L's by apples, and W's by pears. Then think about the right question to ask, and they will give you an answer right away.

The answer is not a solution nor a betting scheme. It is a guide that, combined with all info Priyanka gave, can give some nice results.

The only thing I can think of is playing 2 VdWs simultaneously - but that's just as complex - no? Surely if there's no logical solutions for 1 VdW then there's no answers to the problem regardless of how subtle it is? All paths lead to 50/50 so no edge is possible with 1 VdW stream? And then anything that is Variance based will just dilute that 50/50 VdW further? The thing I was going to explore was VdW on number of "uniques" in the cycle length, for which all the 3 outcomes are winners in their own right; however, cycle length 4 could make us lose everything.

[falkor2k15]

Nice response - rrbb. "Think of the right question". That is so often the best approach. It sounds so simple but can be so difficult to twist the brain around to do that. But that is where I am going to try to go. Apples and pears. Don't want an apple - want a pear. I can't rearrange them - but I could ignore the apples until I reach a pear and then take the next one. I dunno - just rambling.

Skipping bets after a win/loss during a single VdW stream - playing normal or opposite - isn't going to change that 50/50, is it?

[RMore]

Probably not - I was just rambling as thoughts popped. So what is the question? In my mind's eye I see that table with apples instead of L's and pears instead of W's (no bananas - sorry Turner). And then I try to become a pre-schooler. Shouldn't be too hard - they say that as you get older you revert more and more to a child-like state. How can I go straight to the pears? or perhaps how can I make it more pears than apples? What are we trying to achieve here? Mix up the pears and apples somehow?  Jeez - I dunno.

[Tomla021]

i have a feeling that its simpler than we thought also....some way of poking in at a bet and when something aligns bet big a few times then retreat... at least some have a figured a new approach

[falkor2k15]

Probably not - I was just rambling as thoughts popped. So what is the question? In my mind's eye I see that table with apples instead of L's and pears instead of W's (no bananas - sorry Turner). And then I try to become a pre-schooler. Shouldn't be too hard - they say that as you get older you revert more and more to a child-like state. How can I go straight to the pears? or perhaps how can I make it more pears than apples? What are we trying to achieve here? Mix up the pears and apples somehow?  Jeez - I dunno.

Betting opposite the table has more wins/pears, but when coupled with the figures that are attached to that table then the number of losses add up to the same since they are more frequent even though there is less outcomes that feature them.

[falkor2k15]

i have a feeling that its simpler than we thought also....some way of poking in at a bet and when something aligns bet big a few times then retreat... at least some have a figured a new approach

Pri says that we must first look for the edge before considering progressions.

[falkor2k15]

Nice response - rrbb. "Think of the right question". That is so often the best approach. It sounds so simple but can be so difficult to twist the brain around to do that. But that is where I am going to try to go. Apples and pears. Don't want an apple - want a pear. I can't rearrange them - but I could ignore the apples until I reach a pear and then take the next one. I dunno - just rambling.

This has possibly gained me between 0.3 and 0.6% edge! But it could just be luck on both data sets I tried... I will run for more spins and see.

[falkor2k15]

It might be a 1.7% edge - not 0.6%. I need to swap out another database in 2 hours time to confirm the 2nd data set also has a similar edge at 100,000 spins like the first data set.

[falkor2k15]

Sorry, these %s are totally inaccurate because my tests involved some 0 chip bets that were counted as wins. I ended up with +107 profit, but I don't know how I would figure out the edge. I will code this more accurately if the edge is consistent across all data sets @ high spin rates.

[rrbb]

Nice response - rrbb. "Think of the right question". That is so often the best approach. It sounds so simple but can be so difficult to twist the brain around to do that. But that is where I am going to try to go. Apples and pears. Don't want an apple - want a pear. I can't rearrange them - but I could ignore the apples until I reach a pear and then take the next one. I dunno - just rambling.

Doesn't dound like rambling to me!

"But uncle, why do you eat so much pears when you do not like them?"

[falkor2k15]

Yep - this seems like edge for sure - but quite small. Losses were 50.1% under normal circumstances, but this also came out with a profit on the 2nd data set @ 100,000 spins. Why so few pears extra... but at least it's something!