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Random Thoughts

Started by Priyanka, Sep 15, 08:28 PM 2015

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falkor2k15



If VdW is being applied at the spin level then CW/CCW is not really applicable with 4 quad variables, so that just leaves "same"/"different":



VdW could be being used similar to the above, but this would imply that Priyanka isn't always looking for support for the AP to form when there is only 1 s/d result - as long as there is no danger of an AP forming against her bet selections when there is 2 or more s/d results in sequence - hence the next spin could complete the AP. However, this theory is far from proven yet since there's 1 bet above (in purple) that I feel should have been played.
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪:

falkor2k15

The 3rd quads video has yet another different opening:



It may be that VdW is not being used at this early stage, and since Priyanka is thought to use virtual wins and losses, perhaps these bets are based on running totals of S/D or Cycle Lengths?



Video 1 (2nd in the above)
s/d = 1/2 then 2/3
CL =  2 then 2

Video 2 (1st in the above)
s/d = 0/4 then 1/6
CL = 3 then 3

Video 3 (3rd in the above)
s/d = 1/3 then 1/6
CL = 3 then 3

The cycle length is the same on the last 2 so it could be to do with same/different on individual spins? Otherwise I think we've exhausted all possibilities?
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪:

Tomla021

I have all ways believed that same and different are a big clue, follow 1 time
"No Whining, just Winning"

falkor2k15

Here's a transcript of all the Quads videos:

Video 5: link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=4dVbiXMIipI

Same/Diff.Defined byCycleNumberQuadWin/LoseComments
294
31
141191End of cycle: Bet all the other quads
263WBet last 2 quads
D3133273WEnd of cycle: Bet all the other quads
41WBet last 2 quads
S3313273WEnd of cycle: Bet all the other quads
324WBet last 2 quads
181L
D1341111
S11171End of cycle: Bet all the other quads
284W
273
D31433243End of cycle: Bet all the other quads
51W
D131171End of cycle: Bet all the other quads
284WBet last 2 quads
S114121WEnd of cycle: Bet all the other quads
152WBet last 2 quads
314L
D41244304
142
S4424294End of cycle: Bet all the other quads
S444314L
S444364
S444354
51
112
203
D341233233
S333233
S333233
11
D131191
273Bet opposite of last 2 quads
D3133193WEnd of cycle: Bet all the other quads
71WBet last 2 quads
152L
D23122102End of cycle: Bet all the other quads
S222162L
S222122
S222102
41
263
S22132162
S222152
223
314
D32343253
91Bet opposite of last 2 quads
112WBet last 3 quads
S33123233WEnd of cycle: Bet all the other quads
S333253L
142Bet opposite of last 2 quads
21WBet last 3 quads
D1321151WEnd of cycle: Bet all the other quads
294WBet opposite of last 2 quads
203WBet last 3 quads
S1143121WEnd of cycle: Bet all the other quads
243WBet last 2 quads
162WBet last 3 quads
D21322122WFINISHED


Video 6: link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=LKjvj4FQVuU

Same/Diff.Defined byCycleNumberQuadWin/LoseComments
172
253
91
32313223End of cycle: Bet all the other quads
182W
354Bet last 3 quads
D43244334WEnd of cycle: Bet all the other quads
142WBet opposite of last 2 quads
31W
S44214344End of cycle: Bet all the other quads
61WBet opposite of last 2 quads
S4414354WEnd of cycle: Bet all the other quads
91W
D11191End of cycle: Bet all the other quads
213WBet last 2 quads
D3133253WEnd of cycle: Bet all the other quads
162WBet last 2 quads
61L
D1321181End of cycle: Bet all the other quads
S11171L
S11141
S11131
S11181
132
D2122172
263Bet last 2 quads
51L
D1231111
203
D3133243
334Bet last 2 quads
S3343193WEnd of cycle: Bet all the other quads
61WBet last 2 quads
344L
132
D231422172End of cycle: Bet all the other quads
S222122
354
81
D1241111
233
S113121End of cycle: Bet all the other quads
334WBet last 2 quads
D4144334WEnd of cycle: Bet all the other quads
223WBet last 2 quads
162L
D34323243End of cycle: Bet all the other quads
91W
S3313243End of cycle: Bet all the other quads
294WBet last 2 quads
142L
D23422132End of cycle: Bet all the other quads
203W
344Bet last 3 quads
51L
D12341111End of cycle: Bet all the other quads
193W
S113141End of cycle: Bet all the other quads
162WBet last 2 quads
294L
D41244304End of cycle: Bet all the other quads
31W
122Bet last 3 quads
D24122172WEnd of cycle: Bet all the other quads
1WBet opposite of last 2 quads
273WBet last 3 quads
D32133243WFINISHED


Video 7: link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=5VUUfwkFilI

Same/Diff.Defined byCycleNumberQuadWin/LoseComments
233
284
172
23422162End of cycle: Bet all the other quads
243WBet opposite of last 2 quads
304WBet last 3 quads
D32343233WEnd of cycle: Bet all the other quads
152WBet opposite of last 2 quads
S3323253LEnd of cycle: Bet all the other quads
324W
102Bet last 3 quads
S33423263WEnd of cycle: Bet all the other quads
S333223L
304Bet opposite of last 2 quads
S3343254L
D444254
51
142
D24122132
61Bet opposite of last 2 quads
S2212162L
233
D3233253End of cycle: Bet all the other quads
21WBet last 2 quads
D131151WEnd of cycle: Bet all the other quads
314WBet last 2 quads
223L
D31433213End of cycle: Bet all the other quads
172W
344Bet last 3 quads
D23243152End of cycle: Bet all the other quads
304WBet opposite of last 2 quads
243WBet last 3 quads
D32433213WEnd of cycle: Bet all the other quads
21WBet opposite of last 2 quads
314WBet last 3 quads
D1314191WEnd of cycle: Bet all the other quads
314WBet opposite of last 2 quads
223WBet last 3 quads
D41434324WEnd of cycle: Bet all the other quads
S444364L
344
41
S4414284
102Bet last 2 quads
D2422172WEnd of cycle: Bet all the other quads
S222172L
294Bet last 2 quads
263L
D42434334
31
102Bet last 3 quads
D24122182WEnd of cycle: Bet all the other quads
91WBet opposite of last 2 quads
103LBet quads 1,3,4
344W
D12134141End of cycle: Bet quads 1,2,4
243L
304Bet quads 1,2,3
D31343243WEnd of cycle: Bet quads 1,2,4
324WBet last 2 quads
132L
S33423273End of cycle: Bet quads 1,2,4
142W
364Bet last 3 quads
S33243223WEnd of cycle: Bet quads 1,2,4
344WBet opposite of last 2 quads
D4344304LEnd of cycle: Bet all the other quads
132W
S4424304End of cycle: Bet all the other quads
102WBet last 2 quads
122WFINISHED


Video 9: link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=C5rHlShQm1k

Same/Diff.Defined byCycleNumberQuadWin/LoseComments
91
364
263
41434334
21
243
D34133243
11Bet opposite of last 2 quads
D131171L
122Bet opposite of last 2 quads
294W
D41244344
193Bet opposite of last 2 quads
172W
31
S443214324
S444344
152Bet opposite of last 2 quads
41W
S44214364
223Bet opposite of last 2 quads
S4434304L
193Bet opposite of last 2 quads
D3433263L
S333213
S333193Bet last quad
122L
D2322182Bet last quad
51L
314
S22142112Bet last quad
41L
D121181
213Bet last 2 quads
S113171W
193Bet last 2 quads
102W
304
D213242112
41Bet last 2 quads
243L
D1213181
213Bet last 2 quads
D3133223
21Bet last 2 quads
D131121W
122Bet last 2 quads
D2122162W
S222152
284Bet last 2 quads
91L
213
S224132182
31Bet last 2 quads
S2212112W
233Bet last 2 quads
41L
D32313223
71Bet last 2 quads
D131151W
213Bet last 2 quads
354L
S1134121
S11111
193Bet last 2 quads
S113141W
182Bet last 2 quads
S112111W
223Bet last 2 quads
354L
D31343223
33233
294Bet last 2 quads
D4344364W
81Bet last 2 quads
D141111W
193Bet last 2 quads
344L
D31343223
324Bet last 2 quads
D4344344W
213Bet last 2 quads
D3433223W
61Bet last 2 quads
D131151WFINISHED


Video 10: link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=TwOiBydJJF0

Same/Diff.Defined byCycleNumberQuadWin/LoseComments
253
61
344
43144294
213
172
D34323253
61Bet opposite of last 2 quads
D131111L
253Bet opposite of last 2 quads
D3133273L
364
D4344294
112Bet last 2 quads
223L
S44234354
51Bet last 2 quads
D141111W
S11121
314Bet last 2 quads
S114151W
S11151
S11171Bet last quad
S11151WBet last quad
S11111WBet last quad
S11151WBet last quad
324L
S114141Bet last quad
S11111WBet last quad
233L
112
D31323253Bet last quad
S333213WBet last quad
344L
182
D23422142Bet last quad
304L
D4244294Bet last quad
122L
D2422152
S222122
344Bet last 2 quads
S2242162W
91Bet last 2 quads
D121121W
162Bet last 2 quads
314L
D41244284
31Bet last 2 quads
S4414364W
S444304
132Bet last 2 quads
D2422162W
S222162
S222182Bet last quad
273L
D3233233Bet last quad
213WFINISHED
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪:

Tomla021

lot of multiple wins shown WWWL  SPACE WWL , after a  Different then a Same I think Pri bets for a Same
"No Whining, just Winning"

falkor2k15

Quote from: Tomla021 on Jun 21, 07:15 PM 2016
lot of multiple wins shown WWWL  SPACE WWL , after a  Different then a Same I think Pri bets for a Same
I'm not even sure VdW is even being used in those quads videos - unless for a couple of decision if that? It's possible that Priyanka may have only used VdW in video 1 and that non-random cycles are enough to gain edge in the later videos. I think the different opening bets is based on aiming to repeat on specific cycle lengths - later on specific defining quads. And it's possible that one bet was missed by mistake, hence there was no bet in one vid.

I'm going to tag on the dozens video here, albeit without the color-coding.Note: this video is designed to lose!

Same/Diff.Defined byCycleNumberDozenWin/LoseComments
152
323
2232212End of Cycle: bet the other 2 dozens
71WBet the last 2 dozens
d1211101WEnd of Cycle: bet the other 2 dozens
s111111L
162Bet the last 2 dozens
293L
s1123131
232
d2122242End of Cycle: bet the other 2 dozens
s222202L
41Bet the last 2 dozens
323L
d32133323
71
142
d23122242End of Cycle: bet the other 2 dozens
363W
91
s22312242End of Cycle: bet the other 2 dozens
41W
d1211121End of Cycle: bet the other 2 dozens
192W
d2122242End of Cycle: bet the other 2 dozens
s222142L
s222232
71
s2212222
s222212
s222162
283
s2232212
61Bet the last 2 dozens
323L
d1213121
263
232Bet the last 2 dozens
s1132131L
222
363Bet the other 2 dozens
s1123111WEnd of Cycle. Bet the last 2 dozens
s11161WEnd of Cycle: bet the other 2 dozens
s11161L
283
152
d31323353
s333343
132
s3323363
192Bet the last 2 dozens
s3323293WEnd of Cycle: bet the other 2 dozens
s333353L
11Bet the last 2 dozens
2LFINISHED
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪:

falkor2k15

I must say there's some very good information in these Random Thoughts topics (it's beyond GUT!), but it's taken me months to grasp the principles due to a lack of context to link each one together. If the context was there in the beginning then it could have been understood in a day instead of 9 months, so I am working on a new topic/article titled Random Thoughts: A Simplified Overview. This will place all the buzzwords like "Sequences", "Events", "Combinations", "Stitching Bets", "Imbalances", "Dependencies", "Creating Bias", "Parallel Games" into a single model that is built up of all those principles. Random Thoughts: A Concise Reference (version 3) will also be published with #hashtags and structured/filtered with a fine-tooth comb.
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪:

falkor2k15

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jun 21, 12:38 PM 2016
The 3rd quads video has yet another different opening:



It may be that VdW is not being used at this early stage, and since Priyanka is thought to use virtual wins and losses, perhaps these bets are based on running totals of S/D or Cycle Lengths?



Video 1 (2nd in the above)
s/d = 1/2 then 2/3
CL =  2 then 2

Video 2 (1st in the above)
s/d = 0/4 then 1/6
CL = 3 then 3

Video 3 (3rd in the above)
s/d = 1/3 then 1/6
CL = 3 then 3

The cycle length is the same on the last 2 so it could be to do with same/different on individual spins? Otherwise I think we've exhausted all possibilities?

The following quote most likely explains why we have 3 different opening decisions (dark purple) - normal bet, opposite bet and no bet:
"There are different bets at different points in the cycle, right? After the first dozen, let's say it is a 1, then we should consider a bet on 1 again because at this point there is only one choice to close out the cycle. But should we bet at this point? We should look for some support for this bet on the first dozen from elsewhere - some other non-random measure. For example maybe the VdW - although not sure how to do that.
...
What can we say about the very first betting opportunity? What possible support can we get for this? Either positive or negative because if positive then we play the bet but if negative then we can consider playting the OTHER 2 dozens - but ONLY if there is strong suppport for either. Where can that support come from?"
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪:

dimsun

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jun 21, 05:46 PM 2016
Here's a transcript of all the Quads videos:

Lot work maybe find out nothing falkor2k15.  You busy beaver to.  :thumbsup:

falkor2k15

Let's continue with this problem anyway, as Priyanka has clearly put in more effort than me in trying to communicate the solution covertly:
"I really feel that the important things we need to focus on right now are, firstly, the second non-random event (assuming the VdW on the EC's is the first) and the way in which these 2 events are put together in the betting plan. Note the word EVENT. I believe that we need to think of the VdW theorem that Pri gave us as an example of an event to be also a good example of the meaning of the word EVENT in this context. We need to find another such event that fits with either the groupings of 9 numbers (which Pri calls a quad) or perhaps 6-lines, maybe even dozens although I personally don't think it is this."

We are looking for an event, which is usually a "more than 1 spin" sequence or combination that is not equally likely. This could be a cycle length, definition or a series of stitched bets - with subtle emphasis on lines.

"I have tried various things and have not been able to figure out a way to induce dependencies between parallel games. All thumbs down.
There is one last hope left though which am checking now. It goes like this. It is stiching together of bets. While playing quads I have realised that 1-9, 10-18, 19-27, 28-36 forms quads in terms of spins. But the other way to make quads is by combining results of two spins. Like combining Two ECs like Low(1-18) and high numbers(19-36). The combinations are LL, HH, LH and HL. Here I could potentially have two streams one as a stream of quads with teh above combinations and other as a stream of ECs made of L and H. Because they are formed of same elements they are dependent. I am sure there is some playability I can figure out between these two streams and cycles, so working on it. "


The above is reminiscent of the unsolved simultaneous EC + Dozens VdW example that was posted nearer to the beginning of the topic, but here stitching High/Low as "events" to resemble Quads is not stated in the context of VdW - but in the context of 2 streams as parallel games thereby creating dependency to overcome a Dead-heat or Dead-run. This could still be the VdW "support" that we are looking for with regards to decisions on quads, but it's not clear how it works even in it's original context, so to extend that as VdW support is even more abstract at this stage.

"in Priyanka quad videos, any ideas how she use DS as VDW in her quads bet selections?"

It's looking more likely that we should look towards to the Double Streets instead of the ECs - but as an event I'm not sure?

"Pri said early on in the other thread that Dozens and EC's (and possibly 6-lines or was it quads) COULD be played with an edge using VdW and other non-random techniques such as repeating dozens in a cycle and so on."

"Actually, we also have to discover the 2nd non-random event don't we? I know it is probably on the 6-lines but it can't be VdW because this would be far too complex - even the dozens have a sequence length of 27 and nobody is able to accurately find all the AP's in that on the fly. Does anybody have any idea what the 2nd non-random event might be?"

Not much help other than continuing the emphasis on lines.

"But I don't think that is all. I think there is another component that has to be added. Possibly another non-random sequence? One with a lower strike rate because of a smaller coverage perhaps? Consider what he hinted at with High/Low combined with dozens or perhaps six-lines. Or perhaps the quads (9 numbers as I understand it - personally I've always thought quads were 4 numbers, corners basically, but whatever) are the basic and the High/Low is used when a bet is ambiguous - the dead run situation. I see no reason why, when a dead run situation presents itself, that you can't, at that time, look back and create a sequence starting point that gives you a bet on this spin. After all, the VdW theorem says ANY 9 number sequence so why not create them on the fly as and when needed as the "other" bet?"

More clues - but more in the context of dead-runs as opposed to looking for support for betting quads normal, opposite or not betting at all.

"What if we bet the last 3 hit lines in the dozen, instead of the whole dozen.  If a cycle ends with dozen 2 as dominant, bet the last 3 hit lines in dozen 2 on the first bet.  If dozen 1 hits next, bet the last 3 hit lines in dozen 1 and 2.

Seems like there is always 1 line in a dozen that stays cold.  Thought this might increase the odds of a hit better."


This could have some relevance regarding "lower strike rate" in the previous quote, but it's not clear if it can help us with decisions on quads.

"the double streets, in three spins what is the probability of getting 3 unique double streets or the double streets not being the same? It is a over 55%. Surprising, but that is the truth. So chances of getting 134, 156, etc where all double streets are different are better than chances of getting 121, 555, 556, 322 etc. Can that be used to our advantage during the play where some steps are random and some steps are non-random. Yes definitely."

Another stat besides VdW that might offer support in some way.

Priyanka suggests that we should never play randomly and look for support before attempting to close off a quads cycle and to even bet opposite if VdW demands it compared to the original bet we had in mind, but usually Pri only bets opposite when there is a cycle length of 3 and bets normal when there is a cycle length that is less than 3. Of course, there are the odd exceptions to these rules, and rarely is there no bet at all on the 2nd spin, unless following a losing streak and waiting for virtual wins/losses. However, it doesn't appear she is relying on VdW as per what is being preached - or it could be that cycles ending in length 3 happens to coincide with more VdW data offering support for the opposite bet.
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪:

falkor2k15

VdW: "What is the applicability in roulette. Sorry, I don’t have an answer. It is yet to be seen, but I have an inkling that this versatility could be put to use somehow when we are having two variables that do not essentially have a 50-50 probability appearing, but could or might give an advantage when lining up in a VdW sequence".




H/L, DZ, QUAD, LINES
1 2 2 3
2 3 3 5
1 1 1 2
2 2 3 4
1 2 2 1

d d d d
d d d d
d d d d
d s d d

No bet - why?


H/L, DZ, QUAD LINES
2 3 4 5
1 1 1 1
1 1 1 2
2 3 3 5

d d d d
s s s d
d d d d

Quad 3+1 = normal bet. Why bet here and why bet normal and not opposite?


H/L, DZ, QUAD, LINES
2 2 3 4
2 3 4 5
1 2 2 3
1 2 2 3
2 2 3 4

s d d d
d d d d
s s s s
d s d d

2+3 = normal bet
1+4 = opposite bet

Why bet opposite? What is the VdW support for quads 1+4...? :question:
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪:

Drazen

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jun 22, 11:21 AM 2016
However, it doesn't appear she is relying on VdW as per what is being preached

Falklor I really admire to you efforts, and I gave you applause for that.

I am sure she is not relying on VdW exclusively as you are attempting to do all the time.

Did you missed those posts? I highlighted them recently.

Best

Drazen

falkor2k15

Thanks Drazen! Unfortunately, I'm unable to find those recent posts you refer to - do you have a link?
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪:

Drazen

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17013.75

Reply #89

falkor2k15

Cheers Drazen!

The last word on this was that Priyanka was working on a Quads system that doesn't need VdW, and with constant ratios like these across multiple data sets I hope to gain some basic edge by the end of the week:

Defined by 1 to 1: 42 2: 18 3: 14 4: 16
Defined by 2 to 1: 17 2: 70 3: 24 4: 15
Defined by 3 to 1: 16 2: 53 3: 68 4: 22
Defined by 4 to 1: 16 2: 22 3: 15 4: 46

Defined by 1 to 1: 49 2: 16 3: 17 4: 17
Defined by 2 to 1: 12 2: 58 3: 18 4: 15
Defined by 3 to 1: 17 2: 39 3: 64 4: 21
Defined by 4 to 1: 20 2: 13 3: 19 4: 55

1 Cycle Lengths to 1: 17 2: 39 3: 28 4: 9
2 Cycle Lengths to 1: 40 2: 82 3: 53 4: 11
3 Cycle Lengths to 1: 27 2: 53 3: 35 4: 10
4 Cycle Lengths to 1: 8 2: 13 3: 9 4: 3

1 Cycle Lengths to 1: 19 2: 47 3: 28 4: 9
2 Cycle Lengths to 1: 42 2: 54 3: 46 4: 11
3 Cycle Lengths to 1: 32 2: 38 3: 39 4: 17
4 Cycle Lengths to 1: 11 2: 14 3: 13 4: 7
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪:

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