*DOCUMENTED* PROOF OF CHEATING RNG SOFTWARE

[VLS]

This thread comes in response to: LIFETIME EVENT! where they debate on the possibility of a cheating RNG casino.

First let me tell you I'm pointing at the following case of RNG casino software openly cheating on players because it is properly documented, not merely anecdotal or based on a losing streak.

For full understanding you have to remember an online casino operation may be run by one company and their software provider by another different company. They (RNG software providers) have sales pages aimed at casino owners, which are their clients, and for which the words "profits" and "winnings" directly translate to players losing.

The documented cheating software is :.start-your-casino.com/.
(still in continued operation as of today)

When their cheat was exposed by major pages such as the WizardOfOdds and CasinoMeister they changed their texts and secured the casino admin demo pages, but thanks to the internet archive you can still see the original pages, serving to document the cheat.

At the time of their "information slip", this is what the front-page of the sales page displays:

- In there you can see the hint of being able to modify payouts/profits for the games:


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Verification URL: link:://web.archive.org/web/20040622061119/link:://:.start-your-casino.com/


- Blatantly and openly boasting about their cheat to entice casino owners!!!:


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Verification URL: link:://web.archive.org/web/20040622061119/link:://:.start-your-casino.com/


Also their F.A.Q. describes the calculation of a "coefficient" which limits players' ability to win (hence being offered an unfair cheating game):


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Verification URL: link:://web.archive.org/web/20040622021517/:.xlpay.com/casino/?a=faq


They used to list casinos being powered by their cheating software:


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Verification URL (scroll to bottom): link:://web.archive.org/web/20040804034724/link:://:.start-your-casino.com/


But obviously listing their powered casinos along with the player cheating limit  right above the casino banner didn't make them any good.

In fact, it was picked by the aforementioned pages, i.e. CasinoMeister to advice players right away and issue a rogue software warning against them, as seen in their newsletter:


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Verification URL: link:://:.casinomeister.com/newsletter/2004/16sept2004.html#new


Yes, they have a cashout button in their admin panel where casino owners can withdraw their fixed % of won money, even prior to players' wagers:


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And it looks like this:


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Verification URL: link:://web.archive.org/web/20040717104720/link:://:.xlpay.com/casino/casino/admin/?a=cashout


Once again, relying on such "Winning coefficient" as a base for calculations for that's their lock-in profit for them to take since the cheating RNG software ensures there is no way for players to alter their fixed profit amount (hence they can cashout right away) since it will prevent the possibility of players winning any of it due to the otherwise normal fluctuations of the game!




Well, there you go. A documented RNG casino software that cheats, which means there currently ARE cheating casinos silently being operated by this documented cheating software, but obviously they learned their lessons and aren't disclosing their powered casinos anymore.

So for those who scrap the possibility of a cheating RNG casino in operation, allow me to remind in most parts of the globe online gambling is unregulated and open to RNG casinos cheating the cr4p out of their users without any punishment at all.

Does it suck? YEAH. Do you think they are the only RNG casino software provider offering a "controlled wins" proposition to their clients (casino owners) to keep them happy and recurring in payments?... I leave that to your consideration.

[ADulay]

WOW!

OK, I'm convinced.  That pretty much sums up what I thought might be available to the online community of casinos for their RNG games.

Even if most of the RNG games are "on the level" the point is it CAN be manipulated quite easily and when it comes down to the bottom line, the casino WILL make a profit.

Thanks for posting that up.

I still can't believe anyone even thinks about playing RNG anything online!!

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[VLS]

There is account of another casino linked to this group (H.I.G -high income group- Casino):


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Verification URL: link:://web.archive.org/web/20050326123231/link:://:.wizardofodds.com/blacklist


By now they already shut down the domains publicly linked to them and the rigged RNG software continues to operate and take new (casino) clients, as if nothing happened.

[iggiv]

i still think Betvoyager is OK (at least for small  bets)

[furple]

I think Thomas plays mostly RNG and has won substantial amounts.

[VLS]

I still think Betvoyager is OK (at least for small  bets)

There are fair casinos, there are rigged casinos.

Thing is some people have a hard time even thinking a casino can cheat them (as if casinos didn't dispose of the technological means for doing it already). I hope the knowledge of documented and active rigged software operating right now, cheating players' money as you read, may awake some regarding this also being part of internet's reality.

[Twisteruk]

Ive seen too many ppl lose it all on RNG

Its all over the Net, I wonder why ?


No, infact I dont anymore. Victor has shown us Proof Positive that RNG *can* be rigged


YOU WILL NEVER KNOW IF THE RNG YOU ARE PLAYING IS RIGGED !

[albalaha]

Dear all,
          I always told and believed that any RNG casino can manipulate winnings because a single number is generated for a single player and who else can calculate faster than a software, whether to let someone win or not and how much. I have seen many casino openly boasts of 98% or something like this cashouts, if they can ensure the percentage of payouts, everything is calculated. In such case, only a crazy fellow would think of playing RNG roulette. Roulette is not in the nature of slots and game of little more intelligent people. Why do we take risk of our money to maintain their payouts. Open roulette69.com and you will find on the top of your browser "roulette69.com the 98.63% payout casino licensed in the EU". Are we being sucked and used? In such case, no system, method or bot can help you win. I WILL NEVER PLAY ANY RNG TILL I BE SATISFIED OF ITS FAIRNESS.

[Bayes]

I wouldn't dream of playing at an online casino which isn't licensed and regulated, and it baffles me that some seem to do no research whatsoever before handing over their hard-earned, but then, Nigerian email scammers also get "hits".  

In the end you're responsible for your own decisions. I like BV because of its no-zero wheel and (true for OCs in general) because you get higher spin rates. If there was a real wheel offering the same advantages I would use it (pretty unlikely to happen).

What I will say, though, is that because of confirmation bias, if you harbour any doubts about the honesty of a casino, you're likely to interpret losses and "unusual" events as "proof" of cheating, when that isn't necessarily the case.

[albalaha]

I got your point Bayes but I would never be able to fully trust any RNG. I myself won regularly on some RNGs but have lost in most unusual manners also, which created reasonable doubts in my mind. Do you know any RNG casino who has lost on payouts in any quarter?

[Twisteruk]

In the end you're responsible for your own decisions. I like BV because of its no-zero wheel and (true for OCs in general) because you get higher spin rates. If there was a real wheel offering the same advantages I would use it (pretty unlikely to happen).

Bayes, you are very intelligent. Why do you think that is ?

[iggiv]

BV has very good reputation overall with players. I know some people which were able to win big money on it playing some patterns for some time. With playtech RNG it is usually all the way around. BV also has kinda open algorithm of randomness everyone can see and even change sequence of it. No other casino i know of can offer something like this. So far i trust betvoyager.

[esoito]

"So far I trust betvoyager. "

[A serious case of misplaced trust, iggiv. Still, it's your money.]

No zero means no 2.whatever-it-is-% edge.

So how do you think they make a profit overall? By running a fair game? Yeah -- right.

My recent experience with BV (documented elsewhere on the forum) clearly shows manipulation.

Like you, I thought they might be OK.

Unlike you, I now realise they're not.

[Bayes]

Bayes, you are very intelligent. Why do you think that is ?

Good genes?  

"pretty unlikely to happen"

I'm guessing because software is so much cheaper, and perhaps, easier to rip you off, but I personally haven't seen any evidence of that.

[Bayes]

So how do you think they make a profit overall? By running a fair game? Yeah -- right.

They would still make money because they have a much larger bankroll than any individual player. The player with the biggest bank always wins - no house edge is necessary. Some players will win consistently, but have you ever seen how MOST punters play in a casino?

I'm not trying to plug BV, if the time ever comes when I feel like I'm being cheated, I'll leave.