Grassroots-1,2,3 A dozens idea

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So you are betting continously with 3 spin mini games?

This is the unit level I would be using for the 3 spin mini games. 10 30 90, with 1 3 8 as insurance on zero at each level.  This way if the zero hits it is a bonus. 15 25 and 20 profit on each level.  There is obviously an overhead on each win on the dozens as well, but in this case I think it is worth it. 

If you use GLC's progression ideas with the different levels of progression you would need to recaculate the insurance amounts to compensate.

[RouletteGhost]

So you are betting continously with 3 spin mini games?

This is the unit level I would be using for the 3 spin mini games. 10 30 90, with 1 3 8 as insurance on zero at each level.  This way if the zero hits it is a bonus. 15 25 and 20 profit on each level.  There is obviously an overhead on each win on the dozens as well, but in this case I think it is worth it. 

If you use GLC's progression ideas with the different levels of progression you would need to recaculate the insurance amounts to compensate.

How i play it is this:

When i arrive to table i bet against dozen 1. If i win i sit out the next 2 spins and wait for the next 3 spin "mini game"

If i lose i then immediately bet against dozen 2. If i win i sit out the next spin and wait for the next 3 spin mini game.

If i lose i immediately bet against dozen 3

With 0 i bet just enough to break even. Or a little profit.

How can we improve it?

Lets say we arrive to table and the last decision was dozen 2. Can we start there and bet against 3 1 2 occuring? If we arrive and dozen 1 was the last decision can we use that as a starting point and bet against 2 3 1 occuring.

Should we continuously bet against 1 2 3 with no mini game at all? And on any win whatsoever we start over and bet against dozen 1 again? Bet against 1 lose. Bet against 2 win. Reset. Bet against 1 win. Reset. Bet against 1 lose. Bet against 2 win, reset. Bet against 1. Etc

[Nick-the-Greek]

Hi,

I am new to this, however on single zero live online wheels my testing shows 1 - 2 -3 came up 22 times in just under 900 spins which in my mind makes this unprofitable.

I've attached my results - not all instances fall in the '3 mini game' groups but there are enough to worry about hitting them depending on when your mini game starts.

What is also worrying is the number of times 1- 2 -3 -1 -2 comes up as well which makes standard progression for dozens a scary place to play if you took it outside the '3 mini game' model.

It sounds like the non - European wheels are throwing out completely different results which is interesting.

Anyone have any thoughts or comments.

Regards

Nick

[RouletteGhost]

Hey nick

I understand the scary thought of a progression on double dozens.

However saying this is not profitable is incorrect. That will mislead people.

Raymanz tested 66,000 euro spins and
123 showed 831 times

What does that mean? 1 time every 79 spins on average

Normy tested it as well on euro and saw it 1 time every 60 to 200 spins on average. See his graphs in previous pages

I test on american and see on average 1 time every 75 spins. See my previous charts

Not profitable? Re-think that

Play it correctly and its a winner

On every single test i have done, playing 2 mini games and leaving or switching tables is pretty much a guarantee

Test it more and if you like it hopefully you find a way to play it that you like.

Dont sit at the same table long enough to hit a 123. Couple of game and move

[Nick-the-Greek]

Okay, fair comment RG - my testing has always been based on groups of 50 spins per wheel - I've not tried jumping after a couple of wins. (There is still an element of luck that you don't start a new session just before a 1 - 2 - 3 instance hits.)

My 'unprofitable' comment was based on trying to find a system that can ride these loses whilst playing on the same wheel.

Regards

Nick

[RouletteGhost]

Okay, fair comment RG - my testing has always been based on groups of 50 spins per wheel - I've not tried jumping after a couple of wins. (There is still an element of luck that you don't start a new session just before a 1 - 2 - 3 instance hits.)

My 'unprofitable' comment was based on trying to find a system that can ride these loses whilst playing on the same wheel.

Regards

Nick

We are all smart people here

With a system that fails one time every 70 or so spins im sure we can make it profitable

Only thing thats better then failing every 70 spins is advantage play?

[RouletteGhost]

I'll put it to you like this

If we cant make a bet selection work that only loses once every 70 spins on average, then there is something VERY wrong

This is gold!

Keep in mind. On a win stop betting. Commence again at next 3 spin mini game

If you win at 3 units betting against dozen 2 stop wait till 3 spin mini game is over then start again

[RFMAXX]

I still believe a Random or Sector Based Selection of 12/24 Numbers has a higher hitrate. Need to test it.
Also working on a combination with anothrr bet to cut it down to 13 Numbers total. Like last hit was low bet only the high numbers from the Selection.maybe i can program a little tracker in excel. Stay tuned. Very interesting thread!!!

[RouletteGhost]

I still believe a Random or Sector Based Selection of 12/24 Numbers has a higher hitrate. Need to test it.
Also working on a combination with anothrr bet to cut it down to 13 Numbers total. Like last hit was low bet only the high numbers from the Selection.maybe i can program a little tracker in excel. Stay tuned. Very interesting thread!!!

RFMAXX if you come up with a version like u mentioned on sectors please post it and ill gladly test it

Thanks!

[nottophammer]

32,15,19,4,21,2,25,17,34,6,27,13,36,11,30,8,23,10,5,24,16,33,1,20,14,31,9,22,18,29,7,28,12,35,3,26
3,  2,  2, 1, 2, 1, 3,  2, 3, 1, 3,  2,  3,  1, 3, 1, 2,  1, 1, 2, 2, 3,  1, 2,  2, 3, 1, 2,  2, 3, 1,  3, 1, 3, 1, 3

Could be an idea to see the distribution of the dozens, would show where the ball is favouring, if favours section 31 to 32, half the 3rd doz are sitting there,if lost 1,2 and hitting here, could be the dreaded 1,2,3

[RouletteGhost]

I see notto good point. However your example still wins everytime hehebehe

[nottophammer]

Rich
The above is the wheel layout and the dozen it is in.
As said section 31/32 has half the 3rd dozen plus the zero,  so if the ball is hitting here and going for spin 3, could be why 1, 2, 3 hits

[RouletteGhost]

I see what you are saying

Wow i didnt realize that was the wheel layout oops

[RouletteGhost]

Hi everyone
I have been on this site for a long time and I probable don't contribute very much,
But just a thought, why not wait for dozen 1 and 2 too show then bet dozen 1 and 2.
as by reading the other posts 3 is unlikely to follow.
In the unlikely event that it does wait for dozen 1 and 2 to show again and just do a marty.

just an idea
regards Nick.

here is a test i did with a twist

this is the same sequence i tested last night compliments of KCIN012

the twist:

bet against a pattern completing.
if you have 12 now bet against 3 one time only (betting against 123)
if you have 32 now bet against 1 one time only (betting against a 321)
if you have 21 now bet against 3 one time only (betting against a 213
if you have 23 now bet against 1 one time only (betting against a 231)
along these lines, hope you understand
139 progression
similar idea, no mini games, just straight betting

see attached chart. 139 works. and should always work with this style

why? because we arent just betting against 123 completing we are betting against it repeating ONE TIME and also betting against other sequences completing.

you would have to be Mr. Unlucky if you saw more then 2 sequences completing back to back

this is for straight sequences, not jumbled. 123, 321, 231, 312 etc

edit: looking at the chart i missed a few, might be better off just doing this tweak on 123 and/or 321. my first time testing this way and rushing i noticed i missed many, but you get the idea. bet against 123 and 321 from completing just o make it simpler and forget the other combos

or we can just play the original method:
3 spin mini games, on a win at any point of the 1 39 stop and wait until next 3 spin sequence
game 1- bet against 1 2 3
game 2- bet against 3 2 1
REPEAT

by the way last nights test chart would have all winners and no losers had I alternated the mini games between 123 and 321

my head hurts

[RouletteGhost]

A thought. Since 1 2 3 happens every 70 spins on average we can wait for 1 2 and then use a single dozen progression for betting on dozen 3...for those who want a light progression