Grassroots-1,2,3 A dozens idea

[RouletteGhost]

Ok so when u win start right away betting against 1 no waiting

[RouletteGhost]

This method we may wanna keep hush hush. If it gets out the dealers might tell the pit boss and it may be an issue.....

Or am i paranoid

[Proofreaders2000]

If any method uses negative progressions they're not worried

[thelaw]

Wiesbaden Table #2 - 03.10.2015

167 spins

1-2-3 : 5 times

Zero : 4 times

Totals : -202/+203 = +01 unit (includes 1.2.3 on zeros for recoup spins)

***Personally, I'm seeing too many 1-2-3s pop up.........two of these were within 3 games of each other-including the recoup games. So 1-2-3 loss, then recoup win, recoup win, normal win, then 1-2-3 loss again. I have a bad feeling about this...... ***

[RouletteGhost]

I dont know law. Maybe american wheel layout effects the frequency

[Proofreaders2000]

How about a small positive progression:

Win one, bet two units/dozen next step.
Win or lose restart at one unit/dozen.

Win-Target: +2 units or better.  Stop loss: -6 units

[Nick-the-Greek]

thanks nick

are those the only 3 combos you bet against?

and javinchi i hope to hear more .....

I'm just betting against a 123 combo at the moment but my idea was why not mix it up and change the combo every spin - the three I quoted where just an example - there are 27 combinations (per below) so by using a different one to bet against for each mini spin would you not be extending the odds of matching to the wheel rather than being a sitting target using 123 all the time? I'm happy to be proved wrong.

111   221   331
112   222   332
113   223   333
121   211   311
122   212   312
123   213   313
131   231   321
132   232   322
133   233   323

Nick

[vladir]

I'm just betting against a 123 combo at the moment but my idea was why not mix it up and change the combo every spin - the three I quoted where just an example - there are 27 combinations (per below) so by using a different one to bet against for each mini spin would you not be extending the odds of matching to the wheel rather than being a sitting target using 123 all the time? I'm happy to be proved wrong.

111   221   331
112   222   332
113   223   333
121   211   311
122   212   312
123   213   313
131   231   321
132   232   322
133   233   323

Nick

Here is an idea then...
First we have to determine what a session will be (100 spins?). Then we have to test some billions spins to see how many times can the same combo repeat itself in 100 spins. Let's say we come up with 4 maximum(I have no idea, made no such test).

We just start tracking and when we have whitnessed a combo come up 4 times, we start playing against it repeating a 5th time until we reach 100 spins since the first combo appearance.

[ego]

I'm just betting against a 123 combo at the moment but my idea was why not mix it up and change the combo every spin - the three I quoted where just an example - there are 27 combinations (per below) so by using a different one to bet against for each mini spin would you not be extending the odds of matching to the wheel rather than being a sitting target using 123 all the time? I'm happy to be proved wrong.

111   221   331
112   222   332
113   223   333
121   211   311
122   212   312
123   213   313
131   231   321
132   232   322
133   233   323

Nick

Thas is what i say Before - but with other Words - play agains't the past Three dozen hits - then you Always play against 27 combinations.
If one Group of Three repeat you will have six in a row.

Here is an idea then...
First we have to determine what a session will be (100 spins?). Then we have to test some billions spins to see how many times can the same combo repeat itself in 100 spins. Let's say we come up with 4 maximum(I have no idea, made no such test).

We just start tracking and when we have whitnessed a combo come up 4 times, we start playing against it repeating a 5th time until we reach 100 spins since the first combo appearance.

Yes ... how many times can a Group of Three repeat? if you take one dozen it repeat 13 times in a row once during 1 million trails.
So for one group of Three to repeat four to five times would be pretty rare.

One can use GLC progression into Three levels - 1 3 9 and 3 9 27 and 9 27 87
If you play without trigger you will cover 12 in a row and if you start from six you will never lose the hole progression with Three levels as you cover 15 in a row.
The question is how they come back to back and several losing strings during your play.
I have not test this progression - but it looks good.

As we play in the short run so will we maybe never see 13 in a row during our time gambling - but if we are really unlucky we could encounter 13 in a row.

So i been thinking to code this into RX code - but not as system - i would like to code it to show statistics.
That way i can run RX and see how many times one Group repeat during 1 million trails tracking all 27 combinations.

Or do you have other suggestion?

Cheers

[Nick-the-Greek]

Hi Ego,

Stats would be very helpful - all my testing so far has been from manually recording Betfair live spins and transferring them to Excel - so slow!

My next step is to lean more about Kimo Li and his pinwheel idea - if we can predict more accurately when a 123 combo is due this gives us so much more power of when to bet or when to stop betting.

I'm using singe zero wheels - will your testing be on single or double?

Nick

[Tamino]

No longer hush hush.  It`s on google  among others.


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[martin]

Main problem of this method (and most of double-dozen methods) is so steep and huge progression. It is very nice and positive that 1-2-3 occurs one time of 100 or even more spins. But what if it occurs? Could we use that terrible 3-times gained stake? 1-3-9 - 27-81-243 ?? Totally crazy.

When we reckon that 1-2-3, 1-2-3 is very rare, we could use 1-3-9 prog., then 7-21-63 for consecutive double wins and we will be back.
But we can't say with any certainty that this will not occur: 1-2-3 (L), 1-2-3 (L), 1-1-1 (W), 1-2-3 (L). Still huge loss.

[thelaw]

As much as I would like to suggest a milder progression, GLC stated earlier in the thread that it wouldn't make much of a difference long term, and even gave several progressions to use in the place of Marti.

I think that the only way to use this bet selection without enormous risk, would be to flat bet and then increase after a certain point.......making it a grinder method at best.

It could still show profit, but much slower and safer than any progressions jumping bet-to-bet. 

[RouletteGhost]

I respect your opinions

No system is for everybody

But i cant agree that this is a grinder system. Its too good to just be a grinder

If it scares you then play with .25 cents or $1 chips

1 3 9 with $1 chips then when hit 1 2 3 up to $10 chips to recover in 1 mini game

I will continue to take my chance. This is the closest we will ever get to a mechanical system grail type strategy

The fact we see 123 once within 100 spins is astounding.

If it scares u then use very small unit sizes OR wait to 123 happens then GO

[thelaw]

Thanks to Denzie for this info (via PM)!

I always want transparency, so here it is for everyone to see :

"I'll give you a push in the right direction.
Combo's : 123 - 132 - 213 - 231 - 321 -312
Bet 1 time/trigger( example on 123)
Wait a virtual loss first

132
311
123 ----> virtual loss
312
222
122 -----> win

And this for all 6 combo's but they have separate progression.
1-3-9 and stay on 9 till recovered.

Or just bet against last 3 that came.
322
Now bet against that."


Now I have to admit; this appears to be a superior bet to 1-2-3.

Even flat-betting, it looks pretty good. Not perfect.......it can fail, but the W/L record on this is pretty impressive.