Grassroots-1,2,3 A dozens idea

[RouletteGhost]

I will test that. I'm also going to test another thing I got in a private message.

Celes IF you can and if you wish try american. The extra 0 doesnt effect this system and in my opinion this is working better on american wheels

All my charts you see are mainly american #s. The wheel acts different

I know some online euro casinos offer it

Or just keep doing what you are doing you are doing well

I know someone playing similar to you bouncing between dozens and columns but against 123 not previous 3. But he bounces between many different wheels every game. Doesnt stay at same wheel

Rich

[Drazen]

Celes IF you can and if you wish try american. The extra 0 doesnt effect this system and in my opinion this is working better on american wheels

Sir, you have my bow.

Advising to play game with higher house edge is one hell of advice!

[RouletteGhost]

Sir, you have my bow.

Advising to play game with higher house edge is one hell of advice!

I advise that he tests it and decides for himself.

I advise that people test for themselves and draw their own conclusions.

When playing certain methods one wheel may be better then the other. With insurance on 0 it doesnt really matter

[Drazen]

When playing certain methods one wheel may be better then the other. With insurance on 0 it doesnt really matter

Only one wheel, should be said.

For me it is sad that you cant grasp basic principle in this game and you are preaching here this and that. So you just cover zero(s) and you solved problem of losing by HE? I mean really?    

[RouletteGhost]

Only one wheel, should be said.

For me it is sad that you cant grasp basic principle in this game and you are preaching here this and that. So you just cover zero(s) and you solved problem of losing by HE? I mean really?    

Who said that?

I never said i solved the HE

What i and others have said about grassroots method is that 0 insurance is a must

Because we will see 023 or A0C which would be a loss

So whats your problem?

On my tests 0 insurance was the difference between 2 losses and 0 losses.

Its not as easy as "basic principle" as you said. Nothing is black and white

Drazen if you want to help fine. But dont put words into my mouth

[Drazen]

Sir, I don't have a problem here. But the ones who are playing martingale will have, be in no doubt. (Actually any progression, sooner or later) One guy here already lost 500$  Isnt that enough?

Even without zero(s) wins and losses will get equal comparing to the odds you bet. When you add zeros it means you are getting even more losses then you will get wins to equal things.

You and some people here who are playing are totally blinded and so surprisingly dismissed nasty variance that will happen and wipe you all.

So why this benevolent advice can not be understood as my help, but as non saying and being negative?

You said you are testing it. Well I say to you, you are not testing it right. Ask someone to writtte you simulation and shows what will be in the end. No matter what tweak you could use.

[RouletteGhost]

Sir, I don't have a problem here. But the ones who are playing martingale will have, be in no doubt. (Actually any progression, sooner or later) One guy here already lost 500$  Isnt that enough?

Even without zero(s) wins and losses will get equal comparing to the odds you bet. When you add zeros it means you are getting even more losses then you will get wins to equal things.

You and some people here who are playing are totally blinded and so surprisingly dismissed nasty variance that will happen and wipe you all.

So why this benevolent advice can not be understood as my help, but as non saying and being negative?

You said you are testing it. Well I say to you, you are not testing it right. Ask someone to writtte you simulation and shows what will be in the end. No matter what tweak you could use.

Can you explain how i am testing incorrectly?

Im testing in 70 to 100 spin lots all yielding the same results

[Drazen]

Please don't quote any post when it is first behind you are referring to. Only  if you are maybe referring to some specific part or sentence in it. That way you are saving forum/threads space and it looks more readable. And it is pure logic. How many times I have to say this for gods sake?

You are testing it manually so it means you need enormous amount of time for proper test. You need at least few hundreds of thousands tested triggers (not only spins) to be sure.

As of course you didn't done that much by now, and you are calling this best method ever, sure earner and all else in that context. Having said all the above, that is not correct.

[RouletteGhost]

Please don't quote any post when it is first behind you are referring to. Only  if you are maybe referring to some specific part or sentence in it. That way you are saving forum/threads space and it looks more readable. And it is pure logic. How many times I have to say this for gods sake?

You are testing it manually so it means you need enormous amount of time for proper test. You need at least few hundreds of thousands tested triggers (not only spins) to be sure.

As of course you didn't done that much by now, and you are calling this best method ever, sure earner and all else in that context. Having said all the above, that is not correct.

Ok

So you believe a test needs to be in hundreds of thousands

I do not believe that

Its ok  to disagree

Im approcahing 2000 mechanical hand tested spins of real numbers. Im satisfied

[Turner]

If (and when he did) Drazen commented in one of my posts I would listen. Of course he isn't on his own, but is one of a few people here who know what they are talking about.

Of course it makes a difference on US wheel compared to Euro. About 2·7% HE difference.

Maths isn't being negative. It's reality. I havnt tested this idea like I havnt tested putting my hand in a lions mouth using 1000 lions and a range of other Big Cats.
No need

[RouletteGhost]

If (and when he did) Drazen commented in one of my posts I would listen. Of course he isn't on his own, but is one of a few people here who know what they are talking about.

Of course it makes a difference on US wheel compared to Euro. About 2·7% HE difference.

Maths isn't being negative. It's reality. I havnt tested this like I havnt tested putting my hand in a lions mouth using 1000 lions and a range of other Big Cats.
No need

The people that are testing it are having good results

Of course people will say dont test it because math says it will fail

But i dont buy that because its working

Or we can just say we cant win and close the forum down?

If when a method is found and many people test with success then peope say we cant beat the math then whats the point of posting strategies.

[Drazen]

Its ok  to disagree

Im approcahing 2000 mechanical hand tested spins of real numbers. Im satisfied

So you quoted the whole previous post again.

Yes it is perfectly fine to disagree about something while at the same time having fair and polite discussion 

But what is not fine is not to distance yourself from claiming some method is winning without proper and factual test. Actually even encourage and let people participate in it with real money.

[Turner]

Or we can just say we cant win and close the forum

God no!
It's just this idea has most likely been around 100 years.
Casinos are still here last time I looked

[RouletteGhost]

So you quoted the whole previous post again.

Yes it is perfectly fine to disagree about something while at the same time having fair and polite discussion 

But what is not fine is not to distance yourself from claiming some method is winning without proper and factual test. Actually even encourage and let people participate in it with real money.

I am all for a polite discussion

The only thing im encouraging people to do is test this thing and form their own conclusions which they are

Its not fair and polite to say "why cant you grasp something" thats an insult and thats why i got defensive

[Turner]

The wheel acts different

Sounds like I am picking at you but seriously I'm not

You can't say this without proof. I don't believe it does from proof of testing. Why do you believe it does?